Proposed New Online Play Guidelines for the Optishot Online Tour - final draft

[Buckeye]

As a board member, I made the decision early on to not comment. I did not (and still don't) want to bias anyone with my personal views. I will review the draft guidelines with Optishot Tour's best interest in mind.

As a regular member I am asking for the boards input on this before we send it to the board for consideration.

It has been a couple days now since we (JohnMeyer and myself) have asked for the boards input on the negative handicap issue. So far, I don't believe we have received a response.

This "I don't want to bias anyone" is causing a disconnect from the board and the members and personally I don't like that. I would rather see us ALL work together and come up with solutions to the problems.

[Maverick]

Buckeye, enough is enough. They've already stated they are reviewing it.

[braycobb]

The board is currently reviewing the draft guidelines and the current handicap system. We are doing our best to work thru them and implement something final before we head intto "Season 2".

[CatMan]

Buckeye Please check your PM inbox.. Thanks CatMan

[Mike80]

Hey everybody! Just wanted to let ya know in case you want to try out a GC2 and get an accurate capture of your real swing speed and distance.

I went to Dicks Sporting Goods store and in the golf section I talked to one of the guys there. Asked them what software and hardware they use for club fitting. He said he wasn't sure and took me in the back room and showed me. I said, that's a GC2! I asked him if he minded if I could hit some drives and find out what my swing speed was. He was nice and let me hit for about 15 minutes.

That was the 1st time hitting on a GC2. It was very nice and let me say very accurate! I was swinging between 96 - 100 MPH and averaging 248 yards.

So if anybody has a Dick's Sporting Goods store nearby or similar golf store go there and try it out! If you want to increase your speeds that would be a good place to bring a friend or have the guy video you swinging and then show the video screen afterward.

Just wanted to share!

[JohnMeyer]

Hey everybody! Just wanted to let ya know in case you want to try out a GC2 and get an accurate capture of your real swing speed and distance.

That was the 1st time hitting on a GC2. It was very nice and let me say very accurate! I was swinging between 96 - 100 MPH and averaging 248 yards.

Just wanted to share!

Very happy with this, just confirms our ratio settings are pretty close

[CatMan]

New Guidelines are in Place.. Thanks to everyone involved

Optishot 2.0 and Online Tournament Procedures 11-18-2014, 05:56 PM
Optishot Tour Management Board

1. The Optishot Tour Board consists of 4 Board Members and a Tour Secretary/Administrator.

2. They will manage The Optishot Online Tour, managing the guidelines and tournaments, as well as overseeing the integrity and regulations of play by all members.

3. They will review all applications for setting changes and review all evidence provided before making their decision. They will publish a formal statement relating to the setting change if approved.

4. They will handle all reports of breaches of the following guidelines by way of a closed discussion, and administer the penalties in accordance with the guidelines below. They may publish formal statements relating to the breach and penalty applied if necessary.

5. A current list of Board Members is found at

http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/...-online-league

Ball Settings

1. Players MUST set the ball type to the actual ball they are physically hitting. Players are to hit either a Real ball or Foam ball if their setup allows, due to unreliable data from the No Ball setting.

Clubset Settings

1. Players Driver settings MUST be set the to following, dependant on the ball and turf type they are using.

a. Real Ball, Stock Turf - 100% Speed, 88% Distance.............

b. Real Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed 88% Distance...............

c. Foam Ball, Stock Turf - 93% Speed, 88% Distance.............

d. Foam Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed, 88% Distance... Note May need to tee lower to get accurate swing speed.

e. No Ball Setting - 100% Speed 88% Distance ......................

2. Players MUST set the Loft Setting of all clubs to the loft of the club they are physically hitting

3. If using a 3 wood instead of Driver due to Height Restrictions Use Identical settings to those you would normally use as per your ball and turf setup above.

4. 3 wood and 5 wood MUST NOT exceed Speed 100% Distance 100% . Players can always adjust lower.

5. Players Irons MUST be set to achieve real world distances and both Speed% and Distance % settings may be altered up or down to achieve the correct distances.

6. Players may set the Putter Speed % Setting between 80% and 100% to reflect there real life Putting stroke. The Distance % MUST remain at 100% When Putting, players MUST hit either a real or foam ball, unless using the No Ball Setting for the whole round.

7. Players MUST NOT carry out any adjustments to any Clubset Settings during a round.

8. - Penalty . Anyone found in breach of the above settings shall be removed from the Tournament and/or face further action as the Board see's fit.

Trajectory Settings

1. The Highest Trajectory setting MUST NEVER be used off the tee or for approach shots from the fairway/rough purely in order to gain yardage but is to be used in situations when a higher trajectory is required to clear obstacles or obstructions. All other trajectory settings may be used and altered at any time with any club during a round. Until DD fixes software.

2 - Penalty - Anyone found in breach of the above guideline shall be awarded a 2 stroke penalty for each individual offence.

Screen Recording Requirement

1. All Players are encouraged to record/stream their rounds and upload them via Twitch or Youtube within 24 hours of completing their round to relieve any suspicion of game tampering, or any unrealistic distances. If unable to record or stream you are still subject to provide such video if questions arise about your game play.

2. Before starting round please show Ball Setting and Clubset Settings for EVERY club.

3. Please post your Video's on Video Thread..

4. If when viewing another Players uploaded video you spot what you believe to be a breach of any of these guidelines you are to report it to The Board, giving the Players Name, a link to the video, the breach you wish to report, and the time that the proposed breach occurs.

Gameplay Format

1. Tournaments will be either set in 2-4 Rounds for each Event. Matches will be created on Monday for all Tournaments. Invitations, sent directly to your Optishot and notified via Email., Please Pay attention to the Round you enter. TourRD1A means round 1 first group. TourRD1B means round 1 second group and so on.

2. All rounds need to be completed by Sunday Night at 10PM EST, so Tournament can be close out. If all Rounds are not completed then a Player will be given a final score of DNF for the Event.

3. Once you begin a Round you must complete that Round. If you exit the Round before completion you will be disqualified from the Tournament. However if this is due to circumstance beyond your control, ie power cut or software error, this will be dealt with on a case by case basis by the Board.

****************** Scorecard

1. After accepting your invite and when starting your round on Optishot you must also select Play Round for the corresponding round on the My Tournaments tab on the ****************** website

2. Scores for all Rounds will be entered in Live format. Entry will be done after completion of each hole and player must enter score the for each on the website. This will give players the opportunity to know where they sit during game play and give live in running scores

3. All scorecards will be verified and any scorecard that is inaccurate is subject to a 2 stroke penalty for EACH Entry that is incorrect. If it is found that the entry was done on purpose it will result in disqualification from the Tournament.

Handicapping

1. The Secretary/Administrator will auto-calculate before each tournament using a range -10 to +15, all players under 6 rounds will be adjusted to a conservative index until 6 rounds are achieved. We will use - handicaps with not adjustments. Subject to change


Please read fully and understand rules above, ensure you have the OBS recording software installed and tested, and familiarise yourself with both the Optishot Software, The ****************** website and these forums

Once you are fully setup and ready to take part in an event, have completed the necessary Clubset Settings, have Screen Recording Software in place, and are fully familiar with all the above Rules and guideline please post below that you have read, fully understood and agree to comply with all the above.

Welcome to the Optishot Online Tour

[sliceomatic]

How is the determination for "Real World" Irons going to be monitored for people who up the percentage to hit a club a certain distance? Is it going to be similar to individuals who need to up percentages to achieve "Real World" wood distances?

[JohnMeyer]

As those who have watched my Maui video will be aware I have to increase distances in my irons anywhere from 10% on long irons to 20% on wedges to get my distances true to real life.

I'm not sure why they are so far out, perhaps because of the clubs I use IRL (deep red tour irons) are very long but only way to give me a true reflection of my real life yardage.

It's s tricky one as no doubt done would argue that at say 145 yards (a nine iron for me both IRL and also now on optishot) it's easier for me to hit a 9 rather than a 8/7 which without the settings change optishot would have me hit

I don't know the answer here really, as irons can vary so much between players, and are far more dependants on angle of attack etc etc

Unless it gets silly with people hitting 9i in from 180 yards, which would be picked up on monitoring I'm not sure how best to go about it.

I think as long as the range of yardages tally up, roughly 10y / club separation and fit in with drivers distances, eg be off if someone drove 240 but 9i was 190 then I think just gotta be sensible about it.

When checking people's videos will just have to have a look when club settings show and make a judgement as best we can.

[Maxxx]

Hey John , my stock 100 yards is a SW and 150 flush is an 8 iron. I needed to boost my short irons about 12 % and my long ones about 8 % off the thick turf. Any bit of a downward strike and you lose clubhead speed for sure !!

As those who have watched my Maui video will be aware I have to increase distances in my irons anywhere from 10% on long irons to 20% on wedges to get my distances true to real life.

I'm not sure why they are so far out, perhaps because of the clubs I use IRL (deep red tour irons) are very long but only way to give me a true reflection of my real life yardage.

It's s tricky one as no doubt done would argue that at say 145 yards (a nine iron for me both IRL and also now on optishot) it's easier for me to hit a 9 rather than a 8/7 which without the settings change optishot would have me hit

I don't know the answer here really, as irons can vary so much between players, and are far more dependants on angle of attack etc etc

Unless it gets silly with people hitting 9i in from 180 yards, which would be picked up on monitoring I'm not sure how best to go about it.

I think as long as the range of yardages tally up, roughly 10y / club separation and fit in with drivers distances, eg be off if someone drove 240 but 9i was 190 then I think just gotta be sensible about it.

When checking people's videos will just have to have a look when club settings show and make a judgement as best we can.

[sliceomatic]

I just installed my thick turf on the optishot. I'll see if it makes a difference for me.

[JohnMeyer]

Hey John , my stock 100 yards is a SW and 150 flush is an 8 iron. I needed to boost my short irons about 12 % and my long ones about 8 % off the thick turf. Any bit of a downward strike and you lose clubhead speed for sure !!

I do have the steepest swing in history lol, so that may well be the cause, that and my irons are damn long, if you have a read here you will see how long they can be lol. Think some of the claim in the comments are a bit exaggerated but they are damn long compared to some peoples normal irons http://thesandtrap.com/b/clubs/wilson_deep_red_irons

IRL 9 iron is 145, 8 iron 155 etc etc , as an average and my club settigns give this perfectly at the moment

Im a bit worried now as have got a jagmanjoe top coming from the USA, so hoping it doesnt kill yardages even more but as you can imagine with my steep swing my stock turf is getting a bit of a pummeling

[sliceomatic]

I did various testing with different clubs and averaged a 5mph. swing speed difference between the stock turf and the thick turf. This did not include the driver or woods. Definitely a difference with swing speed and that affects distance. Not sure if the math gurus would be able to see what the 5 mph would do as far as distance.

[JohnMeyer]

Ive made a little excel spreadsheet where you enter your Driver Swing Speed in the yellow box and will give you some general distances and speeds to be expected for your irons

I apprecate this is not gospel as will of course vary by lots of factors I couldnt calculate, (dynamic loft, angle of attack etc) but when compared to the Trackman data I based it all off you'll see when you put in the Swing Speed to match the Trackman Data the table is based off then it gives pretty close results, so hopefully will give a rough guide of what sort of yardages you should be getting.

Be interesting how these compare to what you get in real life, the carry distances are pretty good. Rollout calculations will of course always vary due to conditions, so Id pay closer attention to the carry numbers for obvious reasons

Hope someone finds it of use

http://www.filedropper.com/clubcalculator_1

Edit

Another useful little site, when setting everything to average again makes the calc figures seem pretty good.

http://www.csgnetwork.com/golfclubdistancecalce.html

[braycobb]

Nice spreadsheet....Pretty good numbers.

Thanks for putting this together!!!