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  • 5% Boost Protee Rules

    Hi all. I’d like you to weigh in below with your opinion. There has been a large amount of discussion in the TGC 2019 discord group about the allowance of 5% increase to ball speed in the settings of TGC 2019 during tournament play. My understanding as to why this 5% adjustment on settings was allowed was due to the sensor systems that were used before SkyTrak and gc2 took over the LM market. I think I’d be safe to say that 95%+ aren’t using these sensor systems that need adjustments to settings to be closer to accurate. Uneekor is a new LM gaining popularity too but has no possible way to adjust ball settings in TGC 2019. Therefore they would be on an unfair playing field if others are increasing their ball speed. Thank you to wizard of coz for trialing a society event with no boost. The stacking of the leaderboard was much different and more competitive but we would need a bigger sample size to make that statistically significant. I’d like to get your opinion on allowing 5% adjustments vs. no adjustments to spin/ball speed in a forum thread that we can track and tally. I hope this thread can help provide feedback to protee in decision making on this topic.

    Below are a few reasons why I think 5% boost or 5% adjustment to settings in society play is no longer needed and outdated.

    1. Many people playing in these tournaments have no idea what boost is and aren’t playing with it.

    2. 5% is different for all players. It is actually a disadvantage for shorter hitting because 5% of 180 mph ball speed is more than 5% of 130 mph ball speed. It creates disparity amongst players.

    3. It allows players to play with more than 14 clubs in their bag. For example I can put just 5% boost only on my driver so I can hit the 290 yard par 4 green when driver is selected and also hit the same shot to the 270 yard par 4 green using driver with the 3W selected in the game.

    4. It rewards just bomb on gouge and rewards inaccuracy off the tee while penalizing others. For example if I am playing a 500 yard par 5 and I use 5% boost and hit it 290 into the heavy rough my adjusted yardage with penalty is about 235-240. You can still get home in two. Without boost and 270 into heavy rough your adjusted remaining yardage is 266. Definitely can’t get that home in two.

    My vote would be NO for 5% adjustments.

  • #2
    I vote No Boost.

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    • Wizard of Coz
      Wizard of Coz commented
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      You played the zero boost tournament with boost right?

    • cooke23
      cooke23 commented
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      lol....sure did Wiz. I didn't read anything about the no boost stuff before playing the event. Just fired it up and started playing....which is why afterwards I mentioned to remove my score.

      Side note.....I'm on the side of I want Boost gone....but if its voted to stay allowed...I'm gonna boost the absolute F outta that 5%.
      Last edited by cooke23; 11-11-2019, 07:18 AM.

    • Wizard of Coz
      Wizard of Coz commented
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      Honestly I didn't care you boosted the non boost event. It really isn't an issue to me and I certainly wasnt going to go cry to proteemax or mthunt about it. I think it's great that you participated. Nice round.

  • #3
    In my opinion this needs to be addressed by protee/ mthunt. If they wish they can set up a vote on gsf. In Noonan the vote for 0% failed however if it was handled by protee it would have passed. Many were for one set of rules not one set for this society and one for that society.

    AS for the stacking of leaderboard as being far different. I don't see that. The same players in the top ten. Randy, bob, beau, thunder, wizard, bradford,cooke, Pope boynoys and fantastish. Cooke is new to me but he plays elsewhere most of the time I think. Boynoys is new to the game.

    statement 1. How do you know that is true? Most everybody here is very passionate about golf and im guessing but I would say they know their launch monitor and the rules.

    2. Makes sense
    3. Agree
    4. At this point you have the right to use the 5%, I suggest you try it and see if you win. That would prove your point to me.

    I see you voted. Is this a vote or just the start of a healthy discussion?

    ☠☠

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    • mthunt
      mthunt commented
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      Really not sure at this point why you bite the hook every single time.

    • Wizard of Coz
      Wizard of Coz commented
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      Hmmmm. Your right. Hooked again.

      Its cutting into my practice that's for sure.

      I do get extra post totals so maybe I can move up from "Super Member"
      Last edited by Wizard of Coz; 11-11-2019, 03:05 PM.

  • #4
    Originally posted by Wizard of Coz View Post
    In my opinion this needs to be addressed by protee/ mthunt. If they wish they can set up a vote on gsf. In Noonan the vote for 0% failed however if it was handled by protee it would have passed. Many were for one set of rules not one set for this society and one for that society.

    AS for the stacking of leaderboard as being far different. I don't see that. The same players in the top ten. Randy, bob, beau, thunder, wizard, bradford,cooke, Pope boynoys and fantastish. Cooke is new to me but he plays elsewhere most of the time I think. Boynoys is new to the game.

    statement 1. How do you know that is true? Most everybody here is very passionate about golf and im guessing but I would say they know their launch monitor and the rules.

    2. Makes sense
    3. Agree
    4. At this point you have the right to use the 5%, I suggest you try it and see if you win. That would prove your point to me.

    I see you voted. Is this a vote or just the start of a healthy discussion?

    ☠☠
    Not an official vote. I’d like to just see where we are at as a group so Protee can follow to help guide their decision. As for number 1 I didn’t know that setting existed until I joined discord. I had the game for 3-4 months and didn’t know it was there.

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    • #5
      I think the OP missed the most important point.....

      Ball speed adjustments are not required to overcome hardware limitations of non sensor systems.

      I'll wait for the official ProTee vote

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      • #6
        Originally posted by dg_1983 View Post
        I think the OP missed the most important point.....

        Ball speed adjustments are not required to overcome hardware limitations of non sensor systems.

        I'll wait for the official ProTee vote
        Is there an official protee vote coming?!? Christmas come early???

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        • #7
          Seriously. Don’t you discuss this enough on discord?
          My Courses:
          World Par 3's by mthunt
          Toronto GC (L) mthunt
          Burlington G&CC by mthunt
          Weston G&CC by mthunt
          London Hunt Club L mthunt
          Park CC Lidar mthunt
          Sunningdale GC Robinson L
          Sunningdale GC Thompson L
          Muirfield Village (liDAR) First Ever Lidar course
          Country Club of Castle Pines (liDAR)
          The Sanctuary GC ProTee L
          The National GC L mthunt
          Mississaugua GC L mthunt
          Shaughnessy G&CC L mthunt
          Markland Woods CC mthunt
          Hidden Lake Old L mthunt
          Magna GC L mthunt
          Barrie CC L mthunt
          mthunt Range

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          • triplebogeysrbetter
            triplebogeysrbetter commented
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            NO!!! I will have google survey form for you as well ;-)

        • #8
          Just my 2 cents...

          I use a Skytrak for now. I only use boost on the woods / driver as the irons on Skytrak are pretty accurate.

          I really do feel that Skytrak users don't get quite the distance that GC2 users get with the driver. I have played on GC2s at indoor golf leagues in my area and they are noticeably longer with my driver and I'm not swinging any different.

          Here is a great YouTube video proving that the GC2 is a little more generous than the Skytrak on distance with the driver (and even other clubs):

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tRXQfZpI58 (Fast forward to about the 7:30 minute mark to see the driver in action)

          A couple of the driver tests for a quick summary: (total distance)

          GC2: 294 ST: 281
          GC2: 281 ST: 275
          GC2: 287 ST: 274

          There was one drive that the Skytrak slightly outdid the GC2 but the majority was about 2-4% farther in total distance which is consistent with what I see using them outside my Skytrak.


          I understand that GC2 users get another 5% over the Skytrak user so they still have the advantage if the Skytrak is indeed a little shorter (proven by the video above). However, I feel like the 5% boost keeps the Skytrak a bit more in line with what I see outside from myself so it's actually a bit more accurate with that little tweak IMHO. (and it strokes my ego)

          I am not saying GC2 peeps should not get boost by any means! I'm simply saying that the 5% boost equalizes the Skytrak so that I feel like I'm playing a more accurate / realistic round of golf which is more important to me than just the competitive aspect.

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          • Thundergolf
            Thundergolf commented
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            Gc2 does inflate the numbers when u have a low spin shot with high ball speed and launch. U need to be comparing the algorithm using TGC 19 software etc... Can't compare what the gc2 says on the LCD screen

          • LotharFriend
            LotharFriend commented
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            I agree Thundergolf. I think GC2 is spot on with the Driver. I think Skytrak is the one that is stingy!

        • #9
          Originally posted by LotharFriend View Post
          Just my 2 cents...

          I use a Skytrak for now. I only use boost on the woods / driver as the irons on Skytrak are pretty accurate.

          I really do feel that Skytrak users don't get quite the distance that GC2 users get with the driver. I have played on GC2s at indoor golf leagues in my area and they are noticeably longer with my driver and I'm not swinging any different.

          Here is a great YouTube video proving that the GC2 is a little more generous than the Skytrak on distance with the driver (and even other clubs):

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tRXQfZpI58 (Fast forward to about the 7:30 minute mark to see the driver in action)

          A couple of the driver tests for a quick summary: (total distance)

          GC2: 294 ST: 281
          GC2: 281 ST: 275
          GC2: 287 ST: 274

          There was one drive that the Skytrak slightly outdid the GC2 but the majority was about 2-4% farther in total distance which is consistent with what I see using them outside my Skytrak.


          I understand that GC2 users get another 5% over the Skytrak user so they still have the advantage if the Skytrak is indeed a little shorter (proven by the video above). However, I feel like the 5% boost keeps the Skytrak a bit more in line with what I see outside from myself so it's actually a bit more accurate with that little tweak IMHO. (and it strokes my ego)

          I am not saying GC2 peeps should not get boost by any means! I'm simply saying that the 5% boost equalizes the Skytrak so that I feel like I'm playing a more accurate / realistic round of golf which is more important to me than just the competitive aspect.
          Interesting video. Thank you!

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          • #10
            I've never actually played TGC with skytrak even though I've had skytrak, but if anything I think the straight putt gives more of an unfair advantage than 5% boost. You can never push or pull a putt.

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            • #11
              Originally posted by shwag33 View Post
              I've never actually played TGC with skytrak even though I've had skytrak, but if anything I think the straight putt gives more of an unfair advantage than 5% boost. You can never push or pull a putt.
              Everyone likes making lots of putts but changing settings by 5% is like catnip for some people
              My Courses:
              World Par 3's by mthunt
              Toronto GC (L) mthunt
              Burlington G&CC by mthunt
              Weston G&CC by mthunt
              London Hunt Club L mthunt
              Park CC Lidar mthunt
              Sunningdale GC Robinson L
              Sunningdale GC Thompson L
              Muirfield Village (liDAR) First Ever Lidar course
              Country Club of Castle Pines (liDAR)
              The Sanctuary GC ProTee L
              The National GC L mthunt
              Mississaugua GC L mthunt
              Shaughnessy G&CC L mthunt
              Markland Woods CC mthunt
              Hidden Lake Old L mthunt
              Magna GC L mthunt
              Barrie CC L mthunt
              mthunt Range

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              • Wizard of Coz
                Wizard of Coz commented
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                I think it's an ego thing. Some people don't like being out smashed off the tee but this game is won on the greens. 72 par 14 drives 36 strikes 36 putts. Putter is key I agree.

            • #12
              Originally posted by mthunt View Post

              Everyone likes making lots of putts but changing settings by 5% is like catnip for some people
              Honestly, if I boosted my clubs by 5% I don't think it would make my handicap a 1/2 shot better. . If I used the straight putt tool, i'd probably make 1-2 more putts per round. If you can read the green grid well, just point and bang away. Getting speed right is much easier when you don't have to worry about club path. Is putting really that bad with skytrak?
              Last edited by shwag33; 11-11-2019, 03:40 PM.

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              • #13
                Originally posted by shwag33 View Post

                Honestly, if I boosted my clubs by 5% I don't think it would make my handicap a 1/2 shot better. . If I used the straight putt tool, i'd probably make 1-2 more putts per round. If you can read the green grid well, just point and bang away. Getting speed right is much easier when you don't have to worry about club path. Is putting really that bad with skytrak?
                Totally agree that straight putt equates to more gained shots. However, I would encourage you to go putt with your SkyTrak on TGC. I’ll give it 18 holes until you come to the realization that it is unplayable with a SkyTrak unless straight putt is on because the HLA reading on SkyTrak with a 3mph putt is not accurate. You’ll be 4 and 5 putting greens.

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                • shwag33
                  shwag33 commented
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                  Yeah, sounds frustrating.

              • #14
                Yes, putting is that bad with the skytrak, and I've found it to be more so at distances less than 15'.
                Originally posted by shwag33 View Post

                Honestly, if I boosted my clubs by 5% I don't think it would make my handicap a 1/2 shot better. . If I used the straight putt tool, i'd probably make 1-2 more putts per round. If you can read the green grid well, just point and bang away. Getting speed right is much easier when you don't have to worry about club path. Is putting really that bad with skytrak?

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                • #15
                  Originally posted by wbond View Post
                  Yes, putting is that bad with the skytrak, and I've found it to be more so at distances less than 15'.
                  Shorter the putt the worse the read. Bet it’d be fine with 50+ foot putt because it’s easier to read the faster bs

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