Chipping Issues - Please help!

[gene438]

I have read a lot of posts regarding chipping on the Protee/TGC system almost to the point of confusing myself. I would like to start one thread and get everyone's input, suggestions, or comments on how best to setup the system for chipping.

My issue is that from 30 yards and in, I think the system works fine. For shots over 110 yds, the system seems accurate....it's the distances between that drive me crazy. If I have a shot, it seems that I either hit it 30 yds or if I swing slightly harder, I am hitting a 58 degree wedge 120 yrds. On my best day, that wedge should only go 80 yds...

How do you guys consistently hit 60, 70 or 80 yd shots? Should I use less lofted clubs and swing easier? Are there adjustments in the settings that would allow for more accurate chips in that range? Please help?

Again, my problem range is the 40 to 90 yd range.....any thoughts, advice, suggestions, tips, etc.

Thanks

[Ironstrokes]

I have a skytrak so may not be the best to answer the question here but do have TGC and for me its just been more practicing it over and over and over again. That exact distance gap you mentioned is probably the hardest to hit consistently in my book in real life as well. Watching the masters it seemed like a lot of the pros were even having some trouble getting it just right from those distances consistently. Having said that personally I pitch almost always with the same club (52 degree gap wedge) and just do the ol try to take my club back to a certain spot on the back swing a swing through normally and see how far it goes, do it again a bunch of times until I can groove a backswing to a certain distance. Its worked decently for me in TGC but still have a lot of grooving to go. But if you are going from 30 yards to hitting it 120 when you feel like you swing a bit harder, then Im not sure how you get that right exactly and if it may be a setting you need you adjust

[gene438]

Thanks Iron, I have no real problem at these ranges in real golf, I think it is a settings issue or maybe just something you have to live with in a simulator. I know that with the ProTee, you can swing a gap wedge and hit it 30 or 40yds one time and then in another time it will go 120 yds!!! Other than that, I find the sim experience very realistic and fun....but shots within 100 yds are so common, it is a major flaw in the protee.....imo.

[aja]

First off, the issue is with the ProTee and what might be happening when the sensor and cameras pick up shots with high lofted clubs.

It has been referenced more than once in this forum.

http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/...me-fixed/page3

One change in the settings that reduced fly away wedges was setting the camera mode to PT1 for wedges. I think this is possble only in the later vesions of the ProTee interface.

[ProTee United]

Some users may - mainly due to stance and light setup - experience distance issues when playing with high(er) lofted wedges. This is caused by the club passing the balltrack sensors before the ball (not always). A quick fix is to adjust the settings below:

Chipping_ballspeed_factor=65
Chipping_minimum_launch_angle=1
Chipping_use_clubspeed=True

Pitching_ballspeed_factor=75
Pitching_minimum_launch_angle=1
Pitching_use_clubspeed=True

Play around with the ballspeed factor to tune the yardage. This should give you stable yardages with all type of wedge shots.

[inorkuo]

hey protee. could you explain what these settings do? i'm assuming with these settings, if you are within the set chipping/pitching distances, it ignores the measured ball speed and uses 65% of the club speed instead for chipping and 75% of the club speed for pitching. this is due to the club passing the ball track before the ball due to the high launch angle. does all of that sound correct?

also, if you could, tell me if i understand correctly how the sensors work. from what i have read here, i believe club speed is measured from the sensor strip just after the reset sensors to the impact strip just in front of the tee holder. these two strips are also responsible for measuring club path. the impact strip measures club face. the ball speed is measured using the impact strip and the ball track sensor. also, were some protee models made with a distance of 170mm from ball track to tee holder while others were made at 165mm?

[gene438]

Thanks ProTee and inorkuo.....this is the kind of discussion I was hoping we would have. ProTee, I will try your suggestions and play around with them tonight.

But, I have a very simple question that I keep getting conflicting information. I thought that you did not need to select shot type (chipping, pitching, etc.) that those were just left over from the console players. So which is it, do you need to select the type of shot or not? I thought it would just read from the sensor???? If you do not have to select shot type, then what does changing the chipping and pitching settings do????

[ProTee United]

There is no conflicting information. Do you not select shot type in the game. It reads from the sensors. With the settings you change the behavior of the ProTee shot processing.

[gene438]

OK ProTee, here is my confusion. If you say I don't need to select anything and let's say I always have the shot selection on "normal"...then why would changing the settings for chipping_ballspeed, pitching_ballspeed, and all those settings listed above have any effect? Do you understand what I am asking?

Or to put it another way, when do any of the chipping and pitching settings you are describing above go into effect. In other words, I have the shot selection on "normal", I am 50 yards away and I 1/2 swing with a pitching wedge....would the chipping or pitching settings you described above have any impact on the shot? I would think not since I had shot selection on "normal"

Where am I going wrong?

[aja]

You are overthinking this. ProTee states that this affects the ProTee shot processing. It most likely is deciding internally what your shot was... chip, pitch, etc. and then applies the 'rules' or 'settings' appropriately.

You do not have to choose Normal, Pitch, Chip.... You should choose the club that you are using however.

[iskuo]

You set the chipping and pitching yardages somewhere else in the settings. I think on the second page of the interface. The way I interpret what protee said is that when you're inside of those distances then the ballspeed_factors of 65 and 75 using the clubhead speed apply.

[ProTee United]

Correctomundo.

[ProTee United]

There is software (TGC) and there is hardware (ProTee). The settings are to modify the hardware behavior. Check the ProTee Golf Interface. You will find sliders for pitching and chipping, like you find sliders to control penalties, drag, ball speed, etc. The interface will go into chipping or pitching mode which can be controlled/adjusted. TGC just processes the end result.

SkyTrak for example has a normal mode and a chipping/putting mode. The unit will behave differently when activated. TGC does not set or control this mode. Its the interface that connects the SkyTrak with TGC which will switch the mode.

So, changing the shot type in TGC will have no effect.

When you apply the suggested settings in the interface, you adjust the behavior of the data processing before its send to TGC.

Hope this helps

[gene438]

Thank you Iskuo, I think you have said the magic words. If you are right, then when you are inside the chipping and pitching yardage (which you can set) the interface will apply the corresponding pitching and chipping settings that ProTee has mentioned above. Whether or not you have the shot selection set does not matter, it is going by the distance from the hole....

Bottom line, the pitching and chipping settings are applied when your ball is within the corresponding pitching and chipping distances......that wasn't too hard to say...I think I have read over 50 messages on this subject and it has never been stated as clearly...thanks.....now off to play with the settings.

[iskuo]

I've never seen anyone change the "minimum launch angle". I'm thinking that is useful to control for instances when the club is not likely to pass before the ball. For example where you're just off the green and basically putt a 7 iron. In that example, you wouldn't want to have the 65% or 75% ballspeed factor right?