Perfect Golf subscription vs own??

[fortysixandtwo]

What's your thoughts on yearly subscription vs outright purchase? Would you feel more inclined to use it more in the off season vs owning software and using it here and there until the winter months?
I'm more of the buy and own it camp since I don't really play much sim golf until winter. I'm also a gc2 user so I don't think I have much say in where it goes.
I believe skytrak owners who vote with their wallets could create more options, especially with tgc now available. Anyway, just curious to those still on the fence or wanted both tgc and pg feel about pg pricing model.

[wbond]

I was thinking about getting both depending upon price. I will not pay 250 for a yearly subscription.

Current pricing model makes no sense at all
$99 skytrak sim fee which also gets you upgraded skytrak features
$99 fee to get a PG range (No one will buy this)
$200 to get only PG created courses (No one will buy this when you get all for 50 more)
250 to get all available courses

[m3w]

I agree, the subscription model is a disappointment. They should make it $400 to own the software outright, plus $50/year for access to all new courses and user created content. Having to pay $349/yr will grow tiresome very quickly!

[andygg1986]

I think subscription could work if it was monthly since lots of people only play sim golf in the winter. $350/year if you are only using the sim for four or five months really starts to look expensive. But otherwise I would prefer to buy the software outright, especially if I could re-sell my license later like with TGC. I know that they need steady revenue to keep making improvements, so I wouldn't be opposed to $50/year to get new courses, or maybe a fee to play in online tournaments to help cover the cost of servers. I would suspect that most of the programming work after the initial bugs are fixed would be creating new courses. Making the yearly fee component optional would also keep PG motivated to release new, quality, and desirable courses and run quality tournaments. If they stop coming out with courses people want, their revenue dries up.

[wilson]

It's about the cost of 6 Rounds here, so for the value i'm not sure there's much to complain about. Digital property is very undervalued - especially for the work and skill that goes into it. I've got no problem with subscription if it's regularly maintained.

[DeaconBlooze]

It's hard to add the 100 GIP fee into this, since you need that for any sim software.. This works out to basically 250/year when that's considered. The benefit to choosing this over TGC, is that if new definitive software becomes available in year 3, you've saved 250 over the TGC guys.

That said, I'd also rather see a one-time fee for PG.

[ernie18]

yes, once i purchase a new desktop to run tgc i will be purchasing it outright. im going to own my skytrak for more than 4 yeras , so it makes no sense to purchsae perfect game for 250 a year even if tis just the winter time. doesnt make finical sense.

[fortysixandtwo]

It's about the cost of 6 Rounds here, so for the value i'm not sure there's much to complain about. Digital property is very undervalued - especially for the work and skill that goes into it. I've got no problem with subscription if it's regularly maintained.

I wish it were the cost of 6 rounds of golf. As an Army veteran, green fees in my area are 7.00 for all city courses during the week and weekend!

At least for skytrak users, paying 350.00 to sim golf, I think you would have to use it year round to get most bang for your buck.

[wilson]

As a northerner who works from home, with young kids, (tiny violin playing) I use it daily even in summer. So I may not be representative. Cost is also a factor and full price for some sims is hard to get across the missus compared to this smaller albeit not inconsequential sum.

Sad thing is I'm currently modeling the course around the corner from me in Unity now, as its really the only time I get to play it!

[DeaconBlooze]

I'll be using mine year round, as well. I love Spring and Fall the most, as I can open the garage door and enjoy some mild weather. Summer is too darn hot, but I put some fans on and play at night.

I just don't get out to play on an actual course very often. I can get out on the occasional Saturday, but that might get me about a dozen rounds of year. It's really difficult to improve - I love golf, and I want to make the most of every round.

I also setup a TV in the garage on a swivel mount - it's great to use to watch some sports while taking some swings on the range!

[Joko]

I'm with deacon. I don't have the time to go out and play that often. Which is why I have a simulator. So I can practice my game and someday when I have more time my ball striking and general golf IQ will be decent on the real course.

Will be putting in a window AC unit and insulating my garage this spring. Still discussing with the wife how we can do that and still have her park in the garage. But I think it's doable.

[keither5150]

I have owned TGC since August. I bought PG for the PC. It's nice but I can't see myself giving them any money at all without a demo. It would also cost me $350 to get it. GSA charges a one time $100 setup fee. I find the ball physics better on TGC. I played PG on my impact screen and it's just not as good for me. I know that playing the sim will be different. Like I said .....zero chance without a demo. PG is also very far behind when it comes to courses. About 1/2 of the courses I have played on TGC, I would play again. I would go through those 50 courses pretty fast. Demo and outright purchase for me. Putting on TGC with the Xbox one seems better and more realistic than PG. TGC putting with the sim is simply fantastic.

[bryanfink01]

You bought TGC without a demo, why is that any different with PG? Also my understanding is PerfectP will release their courses once the game is live. Currently they have only released a handful and user created courses.

[Tekbud]

Everyone has their own opinion, but let's talk about facts. I've played both on sim extensively now. I'm not sure how TGC putting could be considered more realistic than putting on Perf Golf. TGC putting is about a 6 stimp speed, and can't be changed (which I understand the reasoning for however don't necessarily agree with it.) I personally play no golf courses IRL that run at a 6. Most of the courses in my area are 8 minimum with many being closer to 10-11. I like to play 9-11 stimp speed on Perf Golf so that I can compare to what I play and makes the transition from real golf to sim golf much easier. When I hit a putt on my mat that travels 8 feet (the distance from skytrak red dot to my screen is just about exactly 8 feet) when playing on stimp 9 the putt travels 8 feet. When I hit an 8 foot putt on TGC the putt travels about 5 in game. I also think many putts are zeroed out on TGC even when I miss slightly left and right which makes putting a bit easy. Putting is more difficult on Perf Golf for sure, just as in IRL. The best golfers in the world make ~50% of 8 foot putts. I wouldn't expect to make them all, that wouldn't be realistic.

[DeaconBlooze]

That's good info - thanks for providing it. I'm getting a green for my sim area to surround my hitting mat - it should roll about a 10. The idea was to get a good feel for putts within the range you mention. If the sim isn't adjustable, that plan goes out the window (unless it happens to be a 10, as well). That's just another reason for me to go with PG over TGC.

[FaultyClubs]

Sorry Tekbud, your "facts" aren't facts at all. Just your opinions like anyone else.

Claiming '''putting is more difficult on Perf Golf for sure...''' is a good example. I find the opposite, so in my opinion putting on PG is much easier than TGC. Actually putting is just plain different and it is personal preference which one someone would prefer more. I enjoy the change when switching back and forth.

[Tekbud]

Is it fact or opinion that TGC green speeds are about a 6 on the stimp meter? It's fact.
Is it fact or opinion that many of my putts are zeroed out (when using Skytrak) 0 starting line 0 spin, fact. The odds are incredibly slim that any putts would ever be zeroed out IRL. I don't see that in Perf Golf.
It becomes a green reading/speed exercise when putts are zeroed out. If you think it's harder on TGC you must not be as good with speed and reading greens as you are with Perf Golf. I simply have to hit every putt what feels to be too hard on TGC. Once you get used to that it's fine. Just hard to take that to the course IMHO.
You are right when I said one is harder than the other - that isn't a fact. For me it is a fact. I make a lot more putts on TGC than Perf Golf.

[keither5150]

I was ready to buy in August. When I bought TGC, I was comparing it to E6. TGC was way better than E6 even just testing it with the Xbox one. PG was not even on the radar back then. PG is much closer to TGC than E6. I compared playing PG and TGC both playing on the impact screen. TGC with Xbox and PG with the PC to make it fair. I like TGC better. PG has zero chance with me without a free demo. I find TGC superior in feel and ball physics. I am sure that some players will feel the opposite. I like the trees and water better on PG. Not enough for me to jump ship. For anyone who already has TGC, PG would have to be head and shoulders better for anyone to switch. I really don't see that happening. For those who have yet to purchase, you have a tough decision. Back when I purchased in August, it was a no brainer.

[Tekbud]

That makes sense back in August. The consumer is certainly the winner right now, that is for sure. For me, it's multiple tees, varying green speeds and I also feel that the ball physics are better in Perf Golf. The way that the ball bounces prior to spinning etc. In TGC I can hit shots that just land and stop with no bounce whatsoever just roll. That doesn't appear as real to me a ball should bounce when it hits a hard surface. I've also hit some wedges extremely clean and seen some amazing backspin (especially when hitting shots into the wind) that I haven't been able to duplicate on TGC.

[keither5150]

Not sure, what you mean about the ball not bouncing and rolling in TGC. That's not accurate. Every drive and pretty much every shot bounces once or twice. I get it, you like PG. We are entitled to our opinions. TGC and PG are so close that it is not worth it for me to even purchase it without a demo. Multiple tees and various other features are on list to be done in upcoming updates. A big reason why I chose TGC over E6 is that they update their software 4 or 5 times a year compared to what seems like never with E6. With PG now soon coming on the scene it is a hard choice for new buyers. It's just not a hard choice for me considering my love of TGC. Maybe with a demo, I may have both someday.

[bryanfink01]

I am still saving up to finish the SIM build. So still researching the software part. Was just wondering why you bought TGC without a demo(or is there a demo I am not aware of), but wouldn't buy PG without a demo. Thanks for the insight.

[keither5150]

Back in August.... no perfect golf, Ready to buy in August and TGC was a clear winner compared to E6. Tougher decision for you. PG is far closer to TGC than E6.

[Tekbud]

keither5150 Should have commented not quoted lol - Kind of apples to oranges here considering you don't have a Skytrak right?

[keither5150]

Ahhh! Yes, no skytrack here. ST was not an option back when I purchased my sim.

[fortysixandtwo]

For the most part those wanting a demo of either PG or TGC, the computer version is basically the same thing except without a launch monitor. Good enough I think to give one an understanding of how it will play with a launch monitor..

[mthunt]

Everyone has their own opinion, but let's talk about facts. I've played both on sim extensively now. I'm not sure how TGC putting could be considered more realistic than putting on Perf Golf. TGC putting is about a 6 stimp speed, and can't be changed (which I understand the reasoning for however don't necessarily agree with it.) I personally play no golf courses IRL that run at a 6. Most of the courses in my area are 8 minimum with many being closer to 10-11. I like to play 9-11 stimp speed on Perf Golf so that I can compare to what I play and makes the transition from real golf to sim golf much easier. When I hit a putt on my mat that travels 8 feet (the distance from skytrak red dot to my screen is just about exactly 8 feet) when playing on stimp 9 the putt travels 8 feet. When I hit an 8 foot putt on TGC the putt travels about 5 in game. I also think many putts are zeroed out on TGC even when I miss slightly left and right which makes putting a bit easy. Putting is more difficult on Perf Golf for sure, just as in IRL. The best golfers in the world make ~50% of 8 foot putts. I wouldn't expect to make them all, that wouldn't be realistic.

First off, I really don't care what software anyone chooses. Both are great. I have a GC2, not a skytrak. I have a south west putting green between my screen and mat. It is 10 foot stimp green. My ball to screen is exactly 10 feet. If I have a flat putt In either PG or TGC and my ball stops at the screen, it rolls 10 feet in either software. They are the exactly the same. Fact. Also, you can control the speed of the green in the interface which isn't available on skytrak so your 6 foot speed issue has to be Skytrak related or something that can be addressed. It's not happening to me.

[Tekbud]

This is the SKYTRAK forum, I am not sure why people are posting results here that are GC2 or other launch monitor owners. As has been stated, within SKYTRAK the interface can't be changed and we have 6 stimp only. If this could be changed, that would be great. Maybe SkyTrak_Seth can help provide some insight.