NetReturn Nylon Impact Screen

[Shardak]

This is the new nylon NetReturn impact screen. Its a little bit loud, the video makes it seem louder than it actually sounds in person.

Decent quality fabric, very easy to install with sewn-in velcro straps across the top, a red centering indicator, and 2 straps on the bottom corners to anchor and tension it. I had just installed it prior to this video, and have not messed around with tension yet, probably need to tighten up the bottom corners and maybe loosen up the top a bit.

My only concern is that the ball does jump off the screen a bit. I may need to play around with the tension, I have it pretty tight across the top. Some high lofted wedge shots did deflect upwards. I do have a homemade frame attached to the top to catch any high shots. 2 foot by 8 foot 1.25" PVC frame wrapped in a bed-sheet. Total cost to make = $20 at home depot, and a wife to sew up the bedsheet so it doesnt look totally crappy.



I shot about +20 this weekend in the Honda Classic tour..I am sure this new screen will drop 5-10 stokes off my rounds next week.



I think my garage simulator is pretty much complete at this point. My next upgrade will be a house with a basement, where I have enough room to get a big wide-screen hitting bay.

Skytrak
TGC
NetReturn (net, side nets, and impact screen)
Country Club Elite turf
Benq 1085ST projector
Macbook Pro (running Win 10 bootcamp)

[Psw757]

I'm pretty sure the new mat can be used on the pro and simulator series.

[leoapd]

If I'm reading and looking at the site correctly, net return has two screens avail? Seems one is plastic and one is not, more of a material. As a sim screen which is going to provide best picture, durability and rebound? Given a proper setup of course

[Psw757]

I was under the impression they came out with the new softer material because of noise and when cold the older version allowed balls to bounce back a bit to hard.

The new variety has some Velcro fasteners across the top that keeps it tighter since there really isn't any tension on the screen.

Not sure which is better for picture quality

[Shardak]

The impact screen I have is the new version from NetReturn. It still causes my 60 and 56 degree wedges to deflect up and into the ceiling, so I have built a PVC frame that I sit on top of the net to catch those shots.

Picture quality is just OK. The biggest issue is getting the screen to hang flat is difficult, so the image is wavy because the screen isn't tensioned. If I get a house with a basement, I will replace the netReturn with a stand-alone impact screen.

[wbond]

Could you use tarp clips on bungees in the bottom corners to minimize the waves? Don't know how this mounts, so just guessing here.

[Shardak]

There are velcro straps already installed on the bottom corners, but I have not found a good way to keep them tight. After a couple shots, the bottom straps kind of rotate on the frame of the Netreturn Pro. But its pretty good as-is...I have not spent much time finding a better solution to keep the whole screen tensioned.

[Psw757]

The impact screen I have is the new version from NetReturn. It still causes my 60 and 56 degree wedges to deflect up and into the ceiling, so I have built a PVC frame that I sit on top of the net to catch those shots.

Picture quality is just OK. The biggest issue is getting the screen to hang flat is difficult, so the image is wavy because the screen isn't tensioned. If I get a house with a basement, I will replace the netReturn with a stand-alone impact screen.

Is there anyway to tension it just enough so it isn't wavy?

Overall are you happy with it and is it good enough for a small scale sim experience?

[Shardak]

>>Is there anyway to tension it just enough so it isn't wavy?

The velcro staps allow you get a decent amount of tension along the top. The bottom 2 straps hold the screen in place (so the edges dont billow out when a ball hits), but I have not figured out how to get them to provide any tension on the bottom corners.


The problems with the screen are that the top of the netreturn Pro frame is curved at the edges. So the outermost 2 velcro fasteners of the screen dont pull the corners straight. I have solved this by attaching the outermost fasteners to the PVC frame that I built (that sits on the top of the Netreturn), instead of to the rounded corners of the NetReturn frame. This gets the top of the impact screen pretty straight. Its not perfect, but its good enough.

The other issue is the 2 fasteners at the bottom corners of the impact screen. I have not yet found a good way to attach them to keep some tension on the screen. They do an OK job, but if you are a perfectionist it may bother you that the screen will have some amount of waviness to it.

Overall I am happy with the setup. I do not have the space for any bigger size screen, otherwise I would have gone with a 10 or 12 foot wide impact screen by itself. 8 feet wide is my limit, and the netreturn net and impact screen makes for a very nice and portable solution that is easy to setup and easy to move if needed. Its not as nice as a stand-alone impact screen, but I am happy with it.

I think I will be able to figure out a solution to get the impact screen a bit flatter, but even with no tweaking right out of the box its a pretty good solution.

The only deal-breaker for me with the impact screen is that wedge shots will deflect up and into the ceiling. The PVC frame at the top is something you will probably need unless you have another solution to catch high shots. I bought 20 feet of 1.25" PVC tubing from homedepot for about $20 and made an 8' X 2' frame, wrapped a bed sheet around it. Works great (looks a little janky but oh well) With this frame, I can hit full 60 wedge shots, even flop shots, and am pretty sure nothing will get over it.


This is my first sim setup, and its getting the job done. TGC + Skytrak is alot of fun. I can live with the limitations of the NetReturn stuff. The net itself is great, the impact screen is decent, and the side nets have saved me several times (shanks that would have gone banging around my garage).

[Cinderellaboy]

Did you try that copper tube across the top suggested on the website to straighten?


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[Shardak]

Yeah I just saw that update on the netreturn site...looks promising.

I will head to home-depot today and give it a try.

[Psw757]

Shardak,
What kind of projector are you running with it and how far from screen is it? What is the actual picture size on the screen? Can a 1080 projector be used?

Any pics or video of your setup?

[Shardak]

Shardak,
What kind of projector are you running with it and how far from screen is it? What is the actual picture size on the screen? Can a 1080 projector be used?

Any pics or video of your setup?

I am using a BenQ 1085ST projector.

There is a trade-off to be made with NetReturn and a 1080 widescreen projector. You can use 1280x1024 resolution to completely fill the squarish impact screen. However, this resolution projected on a 8' x 7.5' screen is not super crisp. The other option is to run 1920x1080. You get a nice crisp image, but because the image is widescreen, it does not fill the entire impact screen.

I cannot decide on which option to use. I keep going back and forth between the 2 resolutions.

[Psw757]

I am using a BenQ 1085ST projector.

There is a trade-off to be made with NetReturn and a 1080 widescreen projector. You can use 1280x1024 resolution to completely fill the squarish impact screen. However, this resolution projected on a 8' x 7.5' screen is not super crisp. The other option is to run 1920x1080. You get a nice crisp image, but because the image is widescreen, it does not fill the entire impact screen.

I cannot decide on which option to use. I keep going back and forth between the 2 resolutions.

I know they advertise the screen as 7'6" wide and 8'6" high.

Are you saying with 1280x1024 that it fills whole screen vertically and horizontally?

And

If you go wide 1920x1080 I'm assuming top and bottom isn't filled but side to side is.

What is the actual image size on the screen? Like 7h x7.6w?

I'm trying to visualize what this would look like.

My gut is telling me the wide format with the tgc may be the way to go.

This is a very helpful discussion for me to make this decision.

[Shardak]

Here is a video of me playing TGC at 1280x1024. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbAfzFnZ5aU

You can see it almost totally fills the screen. I just measured the screen, it is 7.5 feet wide, 7 feet tall. See the dimensions of the projected image here: http://www.projectorcentral.com/BenQ...ulator-pro.htm

If I change to 1920x1080, the image size is 7.5 feet wide, and only about 4.5 feet tall. So it doesnt fill the screen top to bottom, but it does not look bad. I think I will probably end up sticking with 1920x1080, as the crispness of the image is more important to me than having the image fill the impact screen.

Another option (not available to me using a wireless HDMI kit), is to run at a higher 4:3 resolution like 1600x1200. This will get you the best of both worlds with this impact screen. It will fill the screen, and the image will be of high quality. Unfortunately, my wireless HDMI setup does not support 1600x1200.

[Psw757]

I don't think the image looks bad at all and I see what your saying about the wavy picture at bottom. I there is a way to tighten that up ever so slightly probably be much different.

I'm guessing if you hardwired the hdmi you could get it to the 1600x1200 and knowing this before hand is probably how I will choose to run it.

How far is your projector from the screen to achieve that picture for to screen?

The next big thing I need to determine is a cpu to run the darn thing. I greatly prefer a laptop and am having a heck of a time finding one with a adequate gpu. I like apple stuff and would like to have skytrak and tgc/wgt all on one device.

Any suggestions on the computer?

Thanks for all the help so far!

[Cinderellaboy]

Is there a projector that Net Return recommends for their screens since it is an awkward size?


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[Psw757]

Is there a projector that Net Return recommends for their screens since it is an awkward size?


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They recommend an infocus 118hd ultra short throw which there aren't a whole lot of reviews on but the owner Paul indicated there are several other options that would work.

Any idea how to determine which ones will work and have adjustments to fill the screen?

[Shardak]

I did all my projector research on ProjectorCentral.com and found their measurements were 100% accurate when I received my BenQ 1085ST.

For me, I started with the idea that I needed a short-throw projector. This would allow me to mount it up high and close to the screen, minimizing any shadows. That narrows down the projector market alot, since there are not many short-throw models out there.

The BenQ 1085ST and older 1070 are 2 good choices. There are others by Optoma that look OK, but I dont think they had the zoom and keystone features.

I also knew I wanted zoom, because I was not sure what resolution I would run and was hoping I could mount the projector in one place and then use Zoom to allow me to switch resolutions without having to move the physical location of the projector. This did not quite work out. The zoom range on the BenQ 1085 is not enough to allow me to fit a 1920x1080 image on the screen (filling the screen width), and also a screen-filling 1280x1024. Even with the zoom, the widescreen image spills over the edges about 1-2 inches. If there was like 5% more zoom range, it would have been perfect.

So at the moment I have my projector mounted about 7 feet from the screen. This allows me to zoom in and get a 1280x1024 image filling up the entire netreturn impact screen. If I change to 1920x1080 and zoom out, I get a couple inches of image on each side projected on the wall behind the screen. Its a small enough amount of spillage that I can still see all the UI elements in The Golf Club, so its not terrible. But if I end up deciding I want to stick with 1920x1080, I will need to move the projector a couple inches closer to the screen.

I would recommend these features.

1) Short Throw

2) maybe zoom (not needed if you are sure about your screen size, resolution and mounting location)

3) Vertical Keystone - this is needed if you mount your projector above or below the screen, and have to angle it up or down a bit. You should try to mount the projector so that you do not need to use keystone, as it degrades the image quality. But if that is not an option, you will want keystone to correct the geometry of the picture.

[Psw757]

I did all my projector research on ProjectorCentral.com and found their measurements were 100% accurate when I received my BenQ 1085ST.

For me, I started with the idea that I needed a short-throw projector. This would allow me to mount it up high and close to the screen, minimizing any shadows. That narrows down the projector market alot, since there are not many short-throw models out there.

The BenQ 1085ST and older 1070 are 2 good choices. There are others by Optoma that look OK, but I dont think they had the zoom and keystone features.

I also knew I wanted zoom, because I was not sure what resolution I would run and was hoping I could mount the projector in one place and then use Zoom to allow me to switch resolutions without having to move the physical location of the projector. This did not quite work out. The zoom range on the BenQ 1085 is not enough to allow me to fit a 1920x1080 image on the screen (filling the screen width), and also a screen-filling 1280x1024. Even with the zoom, the widescreen image spills over the edges about 1-2 inches. If there was like 5% more zoom range, it would have been perfect.

So at the moment I have my projector mounted about 7 feet from the screen. This allows me to zoom in and get a 1280x1024 image filling up the entire netreturn impact screen. If I change to 1920x1080 and zoom out, I get a couple inches of image on each side projected on the wall behind the screen. Its a small enough amount of spillage that I can still see all the UI elements in The Golf Club, so its not terrible. But if I end up deciding I want to stick with 1920x1080, I will need to move the projector a couple inches closer to the screen.

I would recommend these features.

1) Short Throw

2) maybe zoom (not needed if you are sure about your screen size, resolution and mounting location)

3) Vertical Keystone - this is needed if you mount your projector above or below the screen, and have to angle it up or down a bit. You should try to mount the projector so that you do not need to use keystone, as it degrades the image quality. But if that is not an option, you will want keystone to correct the geometry of the picture.

I think this must be why the net return mount is positioned 5'9" from the screen utilizing their mount system. I'm assuming the benq 1085st would probably fill the screen in either resolution at this distance.

This mount is expensive but appears to be a little over 9 ft high and if hitting 3-4 feet behind it doesn't come into play. I also like that it keeps the power and hdmi cables neatly integrated into the arm.

I'm not sure I would be able to mount in ceiling that close due to my 11 ft ceiling height in garage.

[Cinderellaboy]

I've got the pro series screen on order. I have 11 ft ceilings in the garage and hit from about 6 ft. I have a back wall at about 14ft from the screen. Do I want to go 1085ST and mount it at 8 ft back in the ceiling, or do I just go with some regular non-ST and mount it on the back wall? The ground box option seems out for me since I'm hitting pretty close. Thoughts?