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I've heard that hitting from a fiberbuilt mat is supposed to be just like hitting off a real fairway but they're not mentioned a great deal on here. Can anyone please explain to me the pros and cons of a fiberbuilt mat when comparing it to a top end turf mat like a CCE?
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These are the answer.. if someone has a better solution, I'd love to hear it.
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The rubber tee insert that is used on the Fiberbuilt mat is a better solution in my view. The rubber insert is below the mat's surface and doesn't interfere with the club.
You use a regular golf tee. I use plastic tees and the ones I've been lucky enough to find rarely break and last a long time.
The ProTee sensor uses the Fiberbuilt mat and rubber tee insert. Looks and feels like real golf. -
With the Skytrak, you need to use the same spot to hit the ball with a drive, an approach, or a putt. I can understand that the rubber itself is actually under the mat, but that also means that there's a void above it that the ball can settle (however slightly) into. On my CCE mat, that divot is at least noticeable. -
Actually, from what I understand of the Skytrak, the ball position may change relative to the laser dot. This means that the ball doesn't necessarily sit in one spot. Further, in real life, balls settle into the grass. Balls sitting on top of a mat don't really replicate course conditions.
Just tried hitting from the flat part of my Fiberbuilt mat - almost too easy as you can easily brush the ball off. Compared to hitting from the 'indent' above the tee holder, it's total child's play because the little bit that the ball sits 'down', really makes you have to hit a better strike. ProTee makes you do that every shot.
BTW use whatever mat you feel comfortable with. The rubber tee insert kinda matches up with real golf in that you use a regular tee.
Also - I believe someone posted that the SkyTrak doesn't coexist well with the Fiberbuilt mat and misreads increase. So the point is moot.Last edited by aja; 05-05-2016, 08:42 PM.
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I use the tomahawk attached to a claw so the tomahawk doesn't go flying all over the place. It works brilliantly.
Tee Claw Artificial Grass Mat Real Tee Holder & Alignment Training Aid (2 Pack) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B016AKN71W..._eTIkxbNJP3F4Q
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I do the same with the claw and tomahawk. I will post again for reference. The skytrak is NOT higher than the mat, optical illusion.
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Cool. I bought the claw a few weeks ago. Just ordered the tomahawk.Comment
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I did some extensive testing yesterday with my 5x5 cce vs hitting off of fairway grass at my local practice facility and I will say with the irons the cce definitely tends to punish more than what you would see in real life.
I may order a fiberbilt and if I like it will probably sell my one week old 5x5 cce mat for $250. I'm in the philly area if anyone is interested let me know.Comment
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Just curious for the using the fiberbuilt, where do you place your skytrak?Comment
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Just curious but the CCE is the gold standard in mats. In fact Trackman even used it in comparing Mats to grass (below). If you hit it fat you lose distance. Isn't it good to working on hitting it solid? The fibre built is really forgiving. Maybe too much?
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World Par 3's by mthunt
Toronto GC (L) mthunt
Burlington G&CC by mthunt
Weston G&CC by mthunt
London Hunt Club L mthunt
Park CC Lidar mthunt
Sunningdale GC Robinson L
Sunningdale GC Thompson L
Muirfield Village (liDAR) First Ever Lidar course
Country Club of Castle Pines (liDAR)
The Sanctuary GC ProTee L
The National GC L mthunt
Mississaugua GC L mthunt
Shaughnessy G&CC L mthunt
Markland Woods CC mthunt
Hidden Lake Old L mthunt
Magna GC L mthunt
Barrie CC L mthunt
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Very interesting read, and a little discouraging if hitting off a mat actually takes off that much spin. I realize the test wasn't too extensive and not done by a robot but they are still pretty consistently lower through 10 shots on each. Wish they did tests like this for every type of mat out thereOriginally posted by mthunt View PostComment
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Doesn't really make sense to me though if you are hitting the ball first as we should, the surface shouldn't matter at all I would thinkComment
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Even if you hit the ball first you are still impacting a surface that doesn't give much. It's almost like always hitting off hard pan all the time, not quite that bad but...
I received the TrueStirke and played two simulator rounds on it and it feels WAY better than the CCE. And that is with my stance mat being about 1/2-3/4" lower than the hitting surface. I liked it so much I've ordered the rest of their mat sections. It feels so much more like hitting off of real turf to me.
FWIW, TrueStrike was tested with the Trackman and showed only a 3% difference vs the 12% with other mats. - this is from proputtssystems website so take that as you will
At the end of the day it all depends on what you like. I noticed some negative things happening with my swing using the CCE so I went in search of something different. Time will tell how the TrueStrike works out. -
Id agree ball and hitting surface friction most be some factor.
Also the ball may have been still on the club when the club contacted the mat or grass. Who knows how an amateur 2 hdcp really hits the ball.
And we all know how psychology of hitting environment affects our swing. He may swing differently on grass versus mat.
The test has several variables and they didn't control any of them so it's meaningless. It's funny how the human mind will still draw conclusions from meaningless tests though. The real value of this discussion is to highlight the variables to control if we were to do a useful test.
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Originally posted by mthunt View Post
Wow great info in that article. 2k less spin with a 7 iron hitting off a mat. I would never have thought it made that much difference.
I recently got new clubs (Callaway Apex CF) which are low spinning by design or so I have read. I have been a little concerned with the really low spin numbers I see when hitting in my simulator (Skytrak / CCE mat). Playing TGC, it is hard to hold greens with a 7i or lower club. But when I play in real life, I hold greens pretty good.
Glad to see that maybe some of the low spin I see is due to the mat. I think the rest of the issue lies in TGC, where some greens just feel like ice on approach shots. I notice that even playing the Xbox version..its just a quirk with the physics of the game I guess.
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I have the Apex irons as well, and have no problems holding greens outside, but when playing on TGC, there is a lot more roll out. i tend to chip alot from back of greens.Comment
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That was before we discovered the USB connection issue. After connecting via wifi, the FB performs exactly the same as my CCE. No difference whatsoever. All shots are picked up by the Skytrak.Originally posted by aja View PostComment
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VV: I think you had an issue with putting on the fiberbuilt. Are you learning to live with it? It seems like a very brushy style of surface, not as dense as CCE, so I have some doubts about how well it will be with putting.
But I just lost 1 week of practice due to elbow pain which I am pretty sure is from hitting on the CCE, so I am considering Fiberbuilt or TrueStrike
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I haven't seen anyone comment on placement of the Skytrak unit when using a 5x5 fiberbuilt mat.Originally posted by Vincent_Vega View PostComment
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The same as any other mat. Just set it on something that puts it level with your hitting surface. This goes for any mat or stance platform you use.Originally posted by Psw757 View PostComment
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I only asked because all the fiberbuilt mats I've seen have large irregular ball holders which I thought might make leveling the Skytrak difficult.Originally posted by Vincent_Vega View PostComment
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