Bushnell Announces Launch Pro Partnership with Foresight Sports

[a98cr125]

Bushnell & Foresight are partnering up for a new consumer level launch monitor.

[GungHoGolf]

Ok can someone clarify this for me. If you are in the US, you can buy either the GC3 option or the Bushnell option. They both do the same thing. The difference is GC3 is one time purchase all features unlocked. The bushnell option is cheaper up front with subscription options to unlock wanted additional features.

That's correct. $7000 from Foresight with full software features and no subscription. Or $3000 from Bushnell with three subscription options - $800/year to be equivalent to the GC3. So after 5 years, you will have paid as much as the GC3 (but will need to continue paying $800/year). Full subscription is necessary for 3rd-party software use and full club/ball data.

[jhp016s]

Thanks Gung-ho. I am thinking of switching from my QED since when I originally purchased it It appeared as though there was measured club data, however even with the stickers I don’t think any of that is really that great, so hoping to get good club data with this GC three unit

[Stetson]

Looking forward to seeing a full sim package at Costco with the CG3 for $7100 soon

[Noob20]

So for $2999, you get the $99/year basic subscription (free for 1st year) and it provides less measured data & worse software package than the out of the box Mevo+.

You need to pay $799 a year just to get 1 extra club data over the Mevo+ (club path), while also needing stickers to get the club data.

But yeah, the initial cost upfront isn't that high so I think it will still do well, especially when there really is no other photometric competition in that price bracket for what it can do.

Will it support tgc 2019 eventually?

For the Gold level it says supports 3rd party sims. I would think that includes TGC, but could easily be wrong.

[wbond]

I wouldn’t think this foresight has never supported TGC, officially.

[CBWag]

This explains it all. https://mygolfspy.com/foresight-gc3-...comment-687431

EDIT: Sorry, this was supposed to be in response to someone earlier. I know this link was already posted.

[HappyGilmore102]

HI Everyone

Yes, this won't sell very well in my view.

If it was 3k, plus 500 bucks a year sub for everything (including access to all courses for sim play) it would kill everything skytrak, mevo plus, eyexo etc... everything.

Subscription Model chosen as is, will make this thing very difficult and tricky to resell, which is what foresight want. NO SECOND HAND MARKET for GC3.

Foresight HATE the used market for GC2 and won't support it anymore.

Maybe keep skytrak for sim play and buy gc3 for 3k with basic subscriptionfor range use, but will basic ball data tell me something i don't already know?

I'll just sit on the fence for a while.

[CBWag]

HI Everyone

Yes, this won't sell very well in my view.

If it was 3k, plus 500 bucks a year sub for everything (including access to all courses for sim play) it would kill everything skytrak, mevo plus, eyexo etc... everything.

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You're literally dismissing this over $300 a year? You said it was 3k plus $500 a year for everything it would kill everything. It's 3k + 800 a year for everything. To me this is worth the premium for all the limitations and idiosyncracies the skytrak has, plus this has more data.

[HappyGilmore102]

Hi CBWag

If you are right 800 bucks ALL in, then not bad, but,

This is foresight we are talking about, it will be 800 bucks for access to a few courses, maybe 10 if you're lucky.

Then you need to purchase TGC or E6 and pay another subscription which they'll also take a cut from.

Hope i'm wrong, but foresight will be looking to milk the software side of things big time, cant see them giving you much for 800 (remember they charge 500 per course right now.)

Then there's GSX software that people will want to use as well.

I'm going to wait a little and see what happens.

Maybe a good costo deal for one off payment will do it.

Just my opinion.

[Gresh12]

I think there’s still too many unknowns to actually make a decision (some that won’t be clear for awhile) so I’m probably going from heavily leaning towards replacing my Mevo+ to watching things play out for awhile.

I’m one of the few that isn’t put off by subscriptions but I feel like $800 is too much without more course access or totally open third party software usage. I’m not overly fussed on graphics but I still think for that much money paying $100-$250 for each additional course is off putting.

I’m also curious how often they’ll upgrade FSX then charge the outright buyers more making the break point longer for subscription. At the same time resale of this unit locked it tough as you’ll get some fraction of $3k and none of the “amortization” baked in to the $800 fee. It’s entirely possible I’d keep this for 10 years so it’s moot but I see competition continuing to make me think about upgrade paths (I had SkyTrak for 2 years now Mevo+ for going on 2 years and maybe in another handful full data/accuracy of quad is in my price range).

I understand there’s extra hardware cost and the risk of hurting sales at the top end but I’d probably pay a premium for a locked down quad (not as much as the current differential) to know I could keep unlocking later if I wanted. GC3 can never give me impact location or face angle etc so I have to decide if I’ll get anxious and be changing again in a few years if the cost of those with accuracy enters my budget.

[HappyGilmore102]

Hi Gresh12

Very very well said.

I'll wait till January's PGA show just in case something else has been worked on during the last 2 years of lock down.

[aussiebenny]

Flightscope has the right model of selling the hardware outright with no other ongoing or jailbreak costs attached to it imo.

While this Launcher Pro or GC3 still forces the customer to either get locked into a perpetual subscription payment plan to fully utilise the device (even if it's just the range!) or pay a full premium outright for the hardware and software together. Basically, they don't want you to own the hardware in full without selling you the premium software also no matter what.

Even with the outright GC3 purchase, we aren't yet sure if it'll have a skytrak-like ongoing cost just to gain access to third party integration support. If it doesn't, then I guess we just have to accept that this is essentially a $7k device.

But yeah, would have been nicer if you could just buy the fully unlocked hardware with range & third-party support (like Flightscope) without needing to pay extra for the FSX simulation courses. If they sold that for $3k, they would sell minimum 10x more units imo. (along with much cheaper subscriptions just for FSX simulation and courses, they would have changed this market and dominated it easy) If they did that, pretty much every skytrak and mevo+ owner would have upgraded to it.

I guess foresight doesn't want to sell that many.

[HappyGilmore102]

HI aussiebenny

I think foresight made a massive mistake when they bought the REDCHAIN software.

They probably paid way to much and have been trying to get a return on that software investment.

This is what i think has left us with foresight trying to tie hardware with their own software for the last few years.

I wish they would drop foresight simware and leave it to 3rd parties who do a better job.

I'd pay 4.5k for unlocked gc3 with range only software no problem.

When VAT is added this GC3 one off price will be close to €9k in europe.

When VAT is added this GC3 sub model price will be close to €4k up front plus €1k annual subscription, close to €5k.

Not going to sell many at those prices in europe.

[Gresh12]

I agree when I read that it makes me realize it comes down to me not wanting to give Foresight money for software that’s over priced and tying myself to that ecosystem.

I’d pay about the same $5k for the device unlocked to ideally use an FSX basic range and any sim software I want with all the data parameters. They obviously aren’t losing tons of money at $3k as they can’t price the thing so far below cost that they need decades of the $100 subscription to break even so about $5k is my sweet spot (I appreciate they owe me nothing and will charge what they want). At $7k it’s a bit too much for me to just have the device especially when it’s unclear how well they will lock down “other unapproved 3rd party software”. I don’t yet feel comfortable effectively contracting with Foresight Software which is what this feels like.

[Stetson]

Selling the unit will be a pain, the transfer fees will be substantial. I always appreciate for sale listings that include the computer/iPad

[Blaiser]

I keep going back and forth about the pricing.

On one hand, I think $800/year for software is trying to rake us over the coals.

On the other, I'm pretty sure I have thought repeatedly over the past few years "Man, I really wish they would make a GC Quad with just a little less features for like 5-7k"

My ultimate decision will probably come down to 3rd party software support, and what the second hand market will look like.

Full Swing should be happy, as Foresight priced this just in the range of me wanting to wait to see what their product offers before I pull a trigger.

[Mpup89]

I keep going back and forth about the pricing.

On one hand, I think $800/year for software is trying to rake us over the coals.

On the other, I'm pretty sure I have thought repeatedly over the past few years "Man, I really wish they would make a GC Quad with just a little less features for like 5-7k"

My ultimate decision will probably come down to 3rd party software support, and what the second hand market will look like.

Full Swing should be happy, as Foresight priced this just in the range of me wanting to wait to see what their product offers before I pull a trigger.

I am completely with you on this. Even though the Full Swing release has been as bad as it gets (I requested my deposit back a few months ago), I still feel like I need to wait and see what comes of it before deciding on Mevo+ (and save some $), GC3/Launch pro or the Full Swing Kit. The market is rapidly changing and my indecisiveness keeps delaying any purchase at all!

[Gresh12]

Same boat here. I wanted to feel like GC3 (or whatever name/version) was going to be a no brainer for me and I actually thought it would be. But I’m just not loving how either option is shaping up in the outright buy or the subscription model. Maybe this will change as it sinks in but I’m definitely fine waiting for PGA show to see if anything interesting happens or if Uneekor does a ground unit etc.

I know there’s different views on this but I do think they’ll sell a bunch of these but I don’t think they “attacked the mid market” as much as they made it sound like they would.

[aussiebenny]

I decided on the Mevo+ instead of Uneekor solutions few weeks back as it was just so much cheaper and it is more than enough to get me by until when I feel the need to upgrade (probably next year at earliest). For $2k mevo+ unit and TGC 2019 (transferrable anyways), I can enjoy all the advanced practice and accurate simulation now, and not later. (just in the past few weeks, I've hit more balls than the past 6 months!)

Also, Mevo+ holds its resale value well, and really, it is a better unit for outdoors imo, especially if you practice on grass. (actually sees the ball flight up to 100 yards, no issues with sun light or divots messing up the photo & no chance of hitting it with a sh#nk lol) Hopefully by the time I really feel the need to upgrade, there will be more choices and/or better prices through more competition.

[six7red]

Spoke with a Foresight rep yesterday who said TGC would not be a supported sim software. He also said that when the next version of FSX comes out in a few years that FSX2020 would continue to be supported but for those looking to upgrade to FSX Play it would be a paid upgrade for both the GC3 and Bushnell Launch Pro. I asked if it would be possible to purchase FSX2020 outright for a Bushnell Launch Pro if you wanted to get away from the subscription model after a year or two and he said he'd ask around and get back to me on that.

[six7red]

Based on the conversation I had with the Foresight Rep it sounded like the Launch Pro is intended to require a FSX2020 subscription in perpetuity and would receive all FSX2020 updates. It didn't sound like they had considered what would happen when the next iteration of FSX software is released in regards to the Launch Pro since it's their first subscription offering. He reverted to what had been done in the past when upgrading from FR-1 or FSX with a flat upgrade fee and told me to contact Bushnell. The Bushnell rep that answered their 800 number was completely useless and didn't have any info on the Launch Pro that wasn't on their website.

[Gresh12]

I think there’s confusion but I see no world where a subscription model can require one time fee updates for software versions. I guess if anyone can prove me wrong it’s Foresight from what I understand of their philosophy on software but I see no practical way they do that in the future.

[Jnc10]

MY rep told me FSX play will be a free upgrade for all FSX 2020 owners and we will see at least some of it in a month

[games]

As a Mevo+ user, this release turns the spotlight on Full Swing Kit for actionable club data at $4000, possibly.

I wonder if Kit will come with tiered pricing for base metrics, premium metrics, then simulation. With Tigers name behind them, they’re in the drivers seat.

[six7red]

Very little info out their on the Kit but I'm not holding my breath. $99/yr subscription and iOS only at launch according to Scott Hogan Golf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SB8WC9TKxw

[StalefishFS3]

There is a big difference between not supporting 3rd party software vs. actively taking steps to thwart the use of said software. I think we all need to see how this plays out with the GC3 over the next couple of months before a final determination is made that 3rd party software won't work with BLP/GC3.

Foresight did not officially support 3rd party software for the GC2 and Quad, and we all know how that has turned out.

[HappyGilmore102]

Hi Everyone

I think foresight have shot themselves in the foot.

GC2 at 3K plus a $500 subscription would have been better.

You could then upgrade to full club data with HMT (for another 3 k) and paid an $800 subscription for club data feature access.

But,

Who will pay 2-3k for a used GC2 now that you might not be able to repair a used unit this time next year.

GC2 gone so HMT gone too.

GC3 is pointless, you have to sell it to upgrade to full club data with a quad.

Selling GC3 WILL BE A NIGHTMARE with foresight tranfer/fees, subscription transfers/fees and 3rd party tranfer/fees.

The GC3 is a trick that foresight are trying to use to lock people down to their ecosystem by contracting you to it.

Who would want to by a used GC3 that can never be upgraded to full club data.

Outside the US GC3 is even harder to sell when VAT is added to current prices

roughly €9k one off or €5k upfront and €1k subscription for at least 5 years.

This looks like a rip-off attempt the more i think about it.

Just my view, means nothing, so don't all get upset, i'm just saying.