To be real or not to be real?

[Maverick]

Set Optishot for real life distances or not?

[Buckeye]

Have you guys tried 95% distance and 95% swing speed to achieve 10% less distance?

Just wondering if that would kill two birds with one stone.

[MrHogan]

Day off for me I'm playing some actual golf to cheer myself up. Slow going hence I've got time to read this page!

[MatalaWedge]

Have you guys tried 95% distance and 95% swing speed to achieve 10% less distance?

Just wondering if that would kill two birds with one stone.

Probably the best available compromize right there.

[Buckeye]

Probably the best available compromize right there.

Assuming it works we should end up with fairly accurate yardages as well as a relatively close swing speed display.

I won't have time to test until late this afternoon, so if anyone else can it would be great, especially you guys with multiple tools available.

[braycobb]

Using a set 2.48 ratio is not the perfect answer. However, it is a good starting point. That ratio only applies to a spin rate of ~2000 rpms. It is "close". However, the actual avg distance can be as much as 20 yds off. I will post more later when I am home and not at work...I have pulled the current stats for 10 PGA players for comparison. Players (Weir, Leonard) with the same swing speed are averaging 20 yds differnt distance. Why? Spin rate and dynamic loft. This is why I am not an advocate of forcing a defined %.

[Buckeye]

Using a set 2.48 ratio is not the correct answer. That ratio only applies to a spin rate of ~2000 rpms. It is "close".

We aren't going to get it perfect, that much we all understand.

If that means a long player has to give up a few yards and a short player gains a few yards, so be it.

"Close" to me personally is better than what we currently have. At least a move in the right direction.

Like you said in a previous thread on this topic, we are a young league and have many kinks to work out. We can make an adjustment for a tournament or two and see if people are still seeing dramatic errors or not. If they are, we can tweak further. If they aren't, leave it be. This may come down to a "it is what it is" situation that we all must live with, I personally do not know. I rely on you guys who have had the system much longer than I have on guidance on how to dial the distances back. It seems to me that prior to online play just about everyone had a "real life" profile, so how was it that before online they were able to dial in their clubs?

[braycobb]

I don't disagree....However, for players that know their real world stats (swing speed, distances, spin rate, etc.) why not tweak the the Optihot settings to achieve those results instead of using a set %?
Yes, it will make for tough/interesting monitoring. However it makes it as close to "real world" as possible. Otherwise, we truly are moving toward just a video game.

[JohnMeyer]

You are spot on braycobb, but we are limited by what we can do really. The only variable we control is swing speed to vary distance Any spin or dynamic loft is fixed within software I thought.

If this is the case then we should see that if I hit at 103 at 90% distance and you hit 103 at 90% distance they would result in near enough the same distances, whereas you rightly say in real life this would not necessarily be so.

However I would say we can only work with what we got and on the whole everyone's distances with the driver need to be brought down, and if can get a fixed percentage purely on the distance setting as a trial then at least it effects us all equally.

I guess it comes down to if we want a forced solution which may result in people marginally longer or short than real life or an honesty based solution where people just set to real life and we are to trust that they have set it correctly.

The honesty solution works with irons I think, but drives are so so long compared to what should be being hit a forced solution maybe the only option to bring everyone down by an equal amount of yardage

I would hope an honesty solution would be sufficient but to prevent those who "honestly" drive 280 with a 100mph swing speed, there needs to be cap so far I've not heard anyone say that massively exceed the 2.5 x swing speed distance in real life so hopefully this would fit most people.

Once a couple of others carry out the testing as I did earlier well know for sure if the ratio applies across all optishots the same and we can tweak accordingly

from my testing alone I would propose a cap to 90% distance setting on driver, with a strong urge for people to then lower distance and or speed setting to acheive real world distance

I don't see any issues with irons unless people go stupid, but think most people do set these to real world anyway.

3 and 5 woods prob will also need looking at but don't carry these so unable to test

[braycobb]

I am advocating an honest-based system where we "monitor" the outliers. If players will tweak their settings to real world, we are good.

[Buckeye]

I am advocating an honest-based system where we "monitor" the outliers. If players will tweak their settings to real world, we are good.

A couple problems or questions.

Players general only remember their "good" shots when factoring in averages.

What to do with players who don't know?

What do we do with people who obviously don't know; ie the guy who showed up a couple weeks ago claiming 140+ mph club head speed?

I agree with you in a perfect world we could all just set to our distances and move on. Problem I guess is when people claim to have an unrealistic speeds or carry distances.

[MatalaWedge]

I'm all for honesty. I see a problem though...

I see that there will be a nagging feeling with all the guys who actually KNOW their swing speeds and distances if some other guys are claiming to need more speed or distance to achieve "their real world distances". Some of the guys will be right to claim the little extra. Maybe even all of them... but the nagging feeling will still stay with the ones in the know...

I'd like to try and come up with a system where questions would not need to be asked. If we can't do that then so be it...

This is why I will be advocating a % that we should all settle for. I think we'll just have to agree on agreeing with what the problem is and agree to disagree on how to fix it...

[JohnMeyer]

I think the issue as you say is the monitoring. At least 90% will give people a starting point. With the new stat entry at least there is now an official way of noting down the driving distance, so may need to make that a requirement when entering score. Also may have to enforce all rounds are recorded and made available for inspection as and when required. Could then check the distance noted down on the scorecard against the distance shown on the recording. If found to not match the result in DQ etc

Does make work for the monitoring side of it though, whereas a fixed 90 could be enforced, although again no way to monitor that other than checking recording etc so amount of monitoring required would be the same technically

I am now going to set mine to 89% from now on (was at 92 before so will lose a few yards) as this truly reflects both real life and in my case also appears to satisfy the 2.5 x swing speed

I would strongly urge people to look at there real life distances, their swing speeds as shown on optishot and see what their ratio is. ( if its a long way above 2.5 then I think you may be overestimating your distances, not because your lieing, but maybe beacus eyou play of elevated tee boxes, have wind behind you etc etc)

I truly believe most peoples real life distance will be roughly in line with 2.5 x swing speed, as that does seem to be the common guideline for calculations, especially as we have no reading for spin, DL, LA so have to take it that everyones is the same

Just want to get this put to bed really and get a guideline that can be adhered to, enforced and increase realism

[MatalaWedge]

A couple problems or questions.

Players general only remember their "good" shots when factoring in averages.

What to do with players who don't know?

What do we do with people who obviously don't know; ie the guy who showed up a couple weeks ago claiming 140+ mph club head speed?

I agree with you in a perfect world we could all just set to our distances and move on. Problem I guess is when people claim to have an unrealistic speeds or carry distances.

No need to be unrealistic even. Just plain wrong is not good. If you think you hit it 250 and actually only hit it 226 then you should basically be playing at 89% instead of the 98% YOU think reflects reality.

[HWoods]

If the intention is to replicate real life as much as possible, I would argue that because of the system allocated spin settings, that you guys need to lower your speeds even further. I wonder how many of you can actually hit a driver at 105MPH with 2000rpm AND with at least 15 degrees of launch. This is pretty much what it takes to carry the ball anywhere near 270 at that speed.

[Buckeye]

No need to be unrealistic even. Just plain wrong is not good. If you think you hit it 250 and actually only hit it 226 then you should basically be playing at 89% instead of the 98% YOU think reflects reality.

Not sure I follow what you are getting at, but another thought crossed my mind reading your post.

*Edit* Never mind, I see now. I think I hit on that problem with number 1 and 2 on my list.

Do we set our clubs to our carry distance or total distance since the game does not provide that much roll?