Should we recruit designers for TGC2019??

[Solstice72]

keither5150 The courses are beautiful in TGC2019. They are not Sim ready and we have a problem imho. That's my statement. The search function is not any better maybe worse. Favorites list has a picture but somehow it's more work to toggle. Course Discovery is not enhanced, regretfully. But what would it find if it were?

triplebogeysrbetter , htdumps , Snaphook, mthunt





Even with the coming beta sync courses from Protee I don't think it'll amount to golfers with a 5 to 25 handicap finding courses made with them in mind. You can move the tee up all you want but what you have is a landing area that was never thought out ahead of time to be a landing area at that distance given a 265 driver and it has been thrown in and it's not going to save the experience a lot of the time.

Wide fun Fairways and approachable greens with the beauty and angles of some of the courses we've seen has not come together, all variables, at least seldom.

Every course starts out presenting their yardage as you scroll and it is like 7300 in onward, yesterday my personal favorite of 10300 was discovered.
No what we need is to commission talented designers to make these courses for people who actually play golf not for point & click golfers. That's not to say you guys can't design but we need more peoples, experienced ones.

For other reasons people in Forum brought up GoFundMe type ideas here and is anyone enterprising enough to come up with some sort of kitty or pool of money or funding strategy Maybe our members could dedicate five bucks a course (or something) to somehow monetize, incentivize course creation. Hold contests, what have you, I mean people are doing those creation contests for free already for Pete's sake.

What does anyone think? and is anyone up to coming up with a funding page and publicizing it for course creation?

[BGCurtis2nd]

Don't know that I really have any room to talk, but from what I have seen on creating courses, it takes some skill to get it done. I know I lost the Clubhouse some where in mine, not sure if it is at the bottom of the lake or under the levy but no where I can find. Also know that getting the rest of the terrain is not all that easy as well, I never could get a green you could keep a ball on unless it was a real short chip.
I do feel it would be best to award a prize to the best course in a given competition, seems to me it would be better than just trying to hire someone to build a course. Not that hiring someone is a bad deal, just that a contests with a cash prize would bring out a lot more effort I think and something I would be willing to put some cash into the kitty for the winner.

[Solstice72]

That's all great feedback especially since your anecdote of the clubhouse being under the lake is both hysterical and perfectly represents what we're confronting.

[Ports]

This isn't a bad idea at all. Some sort of monetary reward would definitely get some interest

[htdumps]

I would be sooooo willing to pay for someone to recreate my local course. How much would it be worth to you guy's?

[Solstice72]

It may be pricey to hire solo. Who knows what the market is. But if we vote once monthly as a group on some course to commission. Maybe each person who wished to have it, pay like 5 or 10 p bucks to the pot. The better the course the more money would flow, I think you could attract some seriously great stuff.

[triplebogeysrbetter]

htdumps i was thinking the same thing here.

[Solstice72]

You're good for coming up with a scheme right? 🧠⛳, You seem to have boundless energy over there.

[triplebogeysrbetter]

Not for course design. :-) Tried it a few times and it ended in flames.

[Solstice72]

No, not course creation, setting up voting here the democracy of course selection and payment strategy. PayPal? Who the hell can make those courses, it's a 400 level class. I may try it with that new tool that just came out for the lidar usage

[ChadGolf]

Maybe this will help improve the number of playable courses?

https://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/golf-simulator-brands-and-types/the-golf-club/184973-introducing-tgc-designer-tools-and-real-course-recreation-lidar-import

[Solstice72]

Wow, cool timing with my post. That's pretty awesome to have coded something novel like this. Life as it is, it's not an era where I can do the learning curve as is to create a course. How about this silly question, what percentage quicker can a course be done with this tool? Or it doesn't really accelerate the process, only certifies accuracy?

[ChadGolf]

I would say it reduces the time from hundreds of hours to tens of hours. So maybe 90% reduction in time.

I've gotten halfway through two par 3 courses, and 4 full courses in about a month just as practice courses to develop on.

[Solstice72]

That's phenomenal and brings it into my wheelhouse. You should sell it to HB for 20k !

[Solstice72]

This can work. There's beautiful courses these creators have made they could just simply revamp some of them for our purpose

[Snaphook]

I think it would be a great idea to have competitions for sim friendly courses. There could be new courses and also remakes of already published ones.
Obviously i would love to have my home course in TGC, but don't see that happening unless someone else does it. (just don't have the time to learn this skill)

[Solstice72]

Run to the post #7 above! Maybe your prayers are answered

[Solstice72]

htdumps Snaphook Ports mthunt , triplebogeysrbetter
ProTee Max
Guys, this is about "intentional course design" instead of waiting for somebody to strike pay dirt now and then on a course..
I've gotten several responses from designers! The person who made Gauntlet Coast and El Pistolero is excited about the idea. Do check out his courses. The guy knows what he's doing.

I set some guidelines of between 6100 and 6950 tees. Landing areas would be thought out not Helter Skelter for all tees. Bottle cap gimmicky greens will be gone.
All the beauty PC and console get but with courses are golf able.

He golfs in real life. He was already tinkering with El pistolero this morning. And I set some specs initially to go by. It won't be that hard for him to modify a course already made and so there isn't much risk here.

The other designer I didn't respond yet but the both of them would like to generate your home course if you're into that.

I was hoping you guys would have some excitement to spread about the idea. Maybe we could vote on courses to be designed people could pay based on honor System 5 bucks.

We want courses like Shadow Ridge in Palm Springs that are Lush beautiful and have gratuitous Fairway while bringing risk in where it should be. Anyways the courses to be done are obviously debatable but I think we need to get intentional instead of a trickling over time into something that we find "usable". After 5 years and only having 300 courses in TGC1 and really to hear people talk, some use about 20 only in reality I think we should guide Our Fate on this go around with 2019 now how about it?

[Fhacker]

100% agree with doing something like this.

ChadGolf. Truly a revolutionary effort, if it can be made somewhat user friendly. I would donate. I have made replicas of a local course we play in our golf league. Absolutely the most time consuming part is elevations and placement of tees fairways n greens, etc. I would donate

[aja]

I guess it's the guys who haven't done any designing who are having this discussion.

It's easily on the order of 50 to 100 hours of work to do a course well. How much would you pay per hour?

How much would someone accept per hour to design a course? Who determines if the course is up to snuff?

[penrose]

I would pay 30 to 40 bucks for a course - which was done very well. there are some good ones already on TGC but they are hard to find. What would really be cool if someone or a team made all the courses the pros play in a season...I would pay 500 or 600 for a group of courses like that.

[Solstice72]

What I'm proposing is that as a group we could just add 5 or 10 bucks for a course for development per person.
I guess if we have smaller amounts of people I would pay 40 or 50 bucks for an outstanding course too.

I need some sort of collective understanding from people though and I haven't heard feedback from those above I've tagged. Having a proposition and payment mechanism for how courses are made from experienced dedicated designers just makes sense.

for a brand new course from scratch it will be at least 1000. We doing something already made much less.

[Mxwoodman]

I would be also willing to help out and pay 40 or 50 bucks for an outstanding course