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  • Skytrak - TGC short chip spin issues

    ProTee United and SkyTrak_Seth - Just noticed something tonight on short chip shots using TGC. Not sure what the exact yardage point it starts doing this from, but it seems to be in the ballpark of 15 yards (or maybe less or more) and closer that I continually get exactly 1000 rpm backspin on the shot no matter what club i use or how hard i hit it. Ive switched between putting and normal mode, tried even adjusting shot type (which i know doesnt make a difference). Im up to date on all firmware, software and versions of everything. It did this same thing whether I was on wifi or usb.

    Posted a video here showing me hitting the same chip 3 or 4 times and getting exactly 1000 spin every time (dont think im that consistent haha). And did this same test probably another 50 times or so on other holes at similar distances and in the fringe, light or heavy rough. This continued to occur even after factory resetting the skytrak and reinstalling the app and TGC interface.

    Never really checked this issue that close until now. While im pretty sure from this distance 1000 backspin is relatively close to what it should be spin wise...... why is it exactly 1000 everytime? That doesnt seem like it should happen.

    I would like to add that I do get great back spin numbers from lets say 20+ yards out and they are very accurate in the 3000 to 5000 area. So no issues with the skytrak reading there.

    Also noticed when I get to this close to the green it wouldnt read the shot at all if I took a full swing with the wedge, almost like it locked me it hitting some sort of chip or pitch (and tried this is normal and putting modes). So wondering if all this is just a limitation of the skytrak and it was programmed to put a base 1000rpm for these really short shots to make sure it would read every time? If so i understand because TGC does seem to read short chips better than the other skytrak sim options weve seen. If not, what do you think may be the issue im having?

    Anyone else notice this? If you havent looked before just take a peak at the spin numbers next time you think the ball may have rolled a little too far of your next short chip and see what the backspin number is, would be curious to see if others have this too. If so, it would be a clever way to make sure chips read, where it gives a base backspin (which is about average for a decently struck shot of that distance) and just accounted for the ball speed after that to determine how far it goes. Just want to figure out why it happens. Thanks


    PS: I did go into the skytrak app after seeing this and hit some 7 to 10 yard chips and they were all close to 1000rpm but were never exactly, it varied from 800 to 1200+ area as I would think it would based on how I hit it, so dont think my skytrak is messed up there.

  • #2
    Great post. There is another user here with a similar problem. We will of course look into it and report back.

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    • #3
      I had this same issue earlier in the week. Ball was in edge of bunker. I hit a bad shot, spin showed 900. I rewound the shot several times, hitting with different wedges, and each time was exactly 900 rpm backspin (0 sidespin).

      I had assumed TGC was adding some penalty from being plugged in the edge of a bunker.

      I have been in a few bunkers since this happened, and have not seen the same issue.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Shardak View Post
        I had this same issue earlier in the week. Ball was in edge of bunker. I hit a bad shot, spin showed 900. I rewound the shot several times, hitting with different wedges, and each time was exactly 900 rpm backspin (0 sidespin).

        I had assumed TGC was adding some penalty from being plugged in the edge of a bunker.

        I have been in a few bunkers since this happened, and have not seen the same issue.
        Yea forgot to mention that too with them all reading zero side spin as well, but figured that was because it as such a short shot, but should have something there other then zero, right?

        It is weird, get great spin everywhere else, but once i get real close to the hole and put myself right next to the green on the fringe, fairway or rough and it would happen. I'll have to test out of the bunker tonight and see what happens, usually get decent spin I feel out of them from mid range but never really looked at any of the chip/pitch numbers until recently. I'll have to position a bunker shot as close to the hole as I can and give it a go

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ProTee United View Post
          Great post. There is another user here with a similar problem. We will of course look into it and report back.
          Cool, let me know if you need any more info, would be happy to help out or test anything

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Shardak View Post
            I had this same issue earlier in the week. Ball was in edge of bunker. I hit a bad shot, spin showed 900. I rewound the shot several times, hitting with different wedges, and each time was exactly 900 rpm backspin (0 sidespin).

            I had assumed TGC was adding some penalty from being plugged in the edge of a bunker.

            I have been in a few bunkers since this happened, and have not seen the same issue.
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            I'm gonna upload and post the video in a bit, just noticed the same exact thing for me, all greenside bunker shots are giving me exactly 900 spin and all chips from outside the bunker is 1000 spin. Guess your not sure what fixed it? TGC tends to fix itself sometimes I know from experience from the phantom shots.

            ProTee United The other video here is going to show me chipping from the tee box and all my spin rates are dead on and changing as they should with the same swing. So it definitely has something to do with the way things are set for shots around the green because right when I got to the green on the very same hole it started happening again. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling everything again and nothing changing yet. Any suggestions?
            Last edited by Ironstrokes; 04-25-2016, 08:14 AM.

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            • #7
              Here are the videos....

               

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              • #8
                And the chips working correctly from the tee .....

                 

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                • #9
                  Good find Ironstrokes. I have always wondered if TGC is reading chips correctly as they seem to run much longer than expected after the ball hits the ground.
                  What club are you using in your videos?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jrz View Post
                    Good find Ironstrokes. I have always wondered if TGC is reading chips correctly as they seem to run much longer than expected after the ball hits the ground.
                    What club are you using in your videos?


                    I have tried each club from an 8 iron to a lob wedge to test this and got the same results from each, but using a 52 degree gap wedge in these videos

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                    • #11
                      Pretty sure this is a Skytrak issue. I've definitely seen the GC2 working correctly both from the sand, the rough and the fairway around the green. I've even done a few chips from on the green. Any of my videos should illustrate it.

                      Just took a quick look at this video and at 5:45 you can see my chipping from the rough. I get 6369 rpm of backspin and 624 rpm of sidespin.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ks-man View Post
                        Pretty sure this is a Skytrak issue. I've definitely seen the GC2 working correctly both from the sand, the rough and the fairway around the green. I've even done a few chips from on the green. Any of my videos should illustrate it.

                        Just took a quick look at this video and at 5:45 you can see my chipping from the rough. I get 6369 rpm of backspin and 624 rpm of sidespin.
                        Yea definitely agree there, I remember taking a close look at your videos right after I started noticing this to see if it was just the skytrak or what and your chips looked great. Weird thing is that the spin numbers seem to read perfectly when I'm on the tee/fairway and tried in the skytrak app too and it worked well. So it's something between the skytrak, tgc and setting for around the green shots.

                        I'm gonna keep trying things to see if I can fix it myself but I know Protee acknowledged it and are looking into it, hopefully they will figure something out, especially since a few people have noticed this happening at times.

                        Would love to hear about anyone else this may be happening too as well and if it went away or how they may have fixed it

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                        • #13
                          Don't mean to harp on this too much as I know protee is looking into it, but finding more evidence every day and starting to think this may be happening for all the skytrak users all along on closer chips and don't realize it. Just took a search at a few of the tgc and skytrak videos on YouTube and immediately saw this happening for them too. Here's a screen shot of hoosierdaddy's video of an 11 yard chip where it happens and continues to do so on shorter chips and even the first beta video of tgc and skytrak we ever even saw from the par2pro guys and it happened on the only chip he hit in the video.

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                          • #14
                            Crap, didn't realize you can really see it in the pictures but the 1:10 mark on this video and of course the original skytrak-tgc video everyone knows that we first saw from par2pro
                             
                            Last edited by Ironstrokes; 04-26-2016, 04:41 AM.

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                            • #15
                              If it works correctly in the SkyTrak app (which it should, I've never seen a repeating 1000 back spin), then it may be something with the mode. I wonder if TGC has it in putting mode at that point and is giving a default back spin?? Just guessing though. Thanks for pointing it out, I'm sure it will be a simple fix.

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                              • aja
                                aja commented
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                                Bottom line is, is the shot showing up in the sim as it should?

                                No one seems concerned that the club head info is always 'straight', club path 0 degrees, inside or out, since these are dummy placeholders for data that isn't read or available.

                                Just as well, the 1000 spin is just a placeholder because the interface hasn't been properly configured/programmed...

                                Anybody - does the shot show up properly on the sim image, notwithstanding the spin 'data' that is shown?
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