To be real or not to be real?

[CatMan]

John I have a thick top as well, might not be a bad idea to hit foam with me being a constant....

John Just did some quick testing and those numbers seem to be right on

[JohnMeyer]

It truly has been hours, by multiple people, with probably well over a thousand drives worth of data. Auri hit 192 in one evening!!! God knows how many cat man did tonight but was a lot, buckeye the same earlier today, as well as the numerous others all hiring 20, 30 40 drive tests. I've hit 160 plus myself.

It's been a long road with a few heated exchanges along the way but hopefully were nearly there.. Well on this issue anyway.

[CatMan]

Did a massive testing session with Catman... think these follwoing numbers could be golden

[B]Current Positon


4. Foam Ball, Thick Turf - 98% Speed, 90% Distance.......100% Confident, Maxxx and Vega tested

John I have a thick top as well, might not be a bad idea to hit foam with me being a constant....

[Buckeye]

JohnM, I know I've told you several times over the last couple days, but THANK YOU AGAIN for not giving up on this.

Thank you to those who spent a few HOURS testing too. We will improve this league because of the time and effort you guys put in to this, I certainly appreciate this.

And yes, Thank You too CatMan for reconsidering after the evidence was presented. I think we all will see a change will be better for the league.

[JohnMeyer]

Did a massive testing session with Catman... think these follwoing numbers could be golden

Current Positon

1. Real Ball, Stock Turf - 100% Speed, 90% Distance................100% Confident in this setting. Fully tested by Catman, Myself and Buckeye an others

2. Real Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed 90% Distance................ 100% Confident Fully tested with Mike and John.

3. Foam Ball, Stock Turf - 93% Speed, 88% Distance......This needs testing but Catman did a direct swap between Real and Foam and this yielded identical results between the 2

4. Foam Ball, Thick Turf - 98% Speed, 90% Distance.......100% Confident, Maxxx Catman and Vega tested

5. No Ball Setting - 100% Speed 90% Distance...........100% Confident Tested with IAN HOGGARD and another whos name I forget, ratios and swing speeds seem spot on.

6. If using a 3 wood instead of Driver due to Height Restrictions Use Identical settings to those you would normally use as per your ball and turf setup above. Strangely physically hitting a 3 wood makes no difference... 100% confident in this after extensive testing

7. Everything other than Driver must be set to real world distances varying speed and distance settings accordingly, however 3 wood and 5 wood must not exceed Speed % relative to your own personal ball and turf setup, but Distance settings may be up to MAX 100% Distance Setting... tested thoroughly. Most players seem to find 100S 100D is perfect, however if you find distance are long then set to 100S 90D or whatever it is to make them correct.

8. Any individual Driver, 3 or 5 wood settings outside of the above guideline may be adjusted to a different % ONLY if evidence from an external device, ie TRACKMAN/GC2/FLIGHTSCOPE etc can prove without doubt that a persons Swing Speed/Distance is not being accurately read by Optishot and an adjustment away from the settings above is required. This change would need to be approved by the Board on a case by case basis

9. All Players must record there rounds and if requested make them available for review by the Board. Anyone found in breach of the above settings or using settings for any club to falsely significantly improve their ability or gameplay (ie, hitting a PW 250 yards) shall be removed from the tournament and face further action as the Board do see fit.

Really need Auri and Joe to test the 93 Speed, 88 Distance setting. May well be that Swing Speed Number slightly off for you Auri, as you may well come in the category of a "special circumstance as in Rule 8, but hopefully the distances will be good.

Please those of you who hit foam balls on stock turf please try 93, 88 as once that confirmed we've got ourselves some stock numbers we can all use !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe in 93S 88D as myself and Catman did direct results, ie he hit real ball stock turf, driver setting 100S 90 D and was getting average 100 mph Speed, 248 Distance. Swapped to foam ball, change setting on opti to foam ball, driver setting to 93S 88D and was getting 100mph 250 yards

Watched the stream to verify numbers... Please please can some people try this so I can have my life back lol

[Maverick]

Can I suggest we name our next tournament "Welcome to Reality Invitational"?

Lets save that one for when you guys come over to ProTee.....heheh

[Buckeye]

Can I suggest we name our next tournament "Welcome to Reality Invitational"?

[JohnMeyer]

Mike those figures look bang on with what im now thinking good stuff

[Mike80]

Hey Willy, please don't take this personal or as a stab at you. I am not saying you don't swing it 125MPH. However the reality is that is very very high. In fact that is the swing speed of the highest PGA players which only a few swing at that rate. So again don't take this as a persona stab. I would agree with the others that don't rely on HD Golf Simulator for accurate readings of your swing speed. If you can find a local golf shop for fitting that uses a Trackman/Flightscop or other high standard hardware. I know you are saying that the Opti isn't reading to your average 116-125. But possibly your swing speed is really about 110....which is still extremely fast! Again, not judging or saying it is. Just that most all of us tested and nobody is complaining that the Optishot is not reading too slow. If anything it is reading 2 MPH fast, based on a lot of my testing. If you really do get tested on a Trackman and hit 125 MPH, then I will say holy shit!!!! That is MF'n Fast!!!! ....LOL. and bow down to you....LOL. Please take this lightly, not judging you. Maybe HD Golf is boosting the speed. A lot of places do this.

Here are another set of my tests I just did:

Test 5: Speed: 100% ~ Distance: 90%
Speed ~ Distance
103 ~ 258
104 ~ 260
110 ~ 270
104 ~ 264
100 ~ 258
105 ~ 264

This is on Real Ball and tested on 3/4" thick turf.

[Throttle]

Willy you might be wasting your time... I have been there and done it (trusted commercial sims). Note that most commercial sim owners jack the sim up to encourage people to walk into the place. No one likes to know that in reality they swing under 100mph.

Only rely on Trackman or Flightscope for real swing speeds and carry.

I have used Protee and Trugolf at commercial places and have seen them jacked up intentionally. Not trying to bash their setup, maybe their HD golf set up its quite good, but be careful in just blindly trusting it.

Maybe someone else has compared HD against Trackman or Flightscope in neutral conditions that can chime in if the data will be helpful to you guys. Just make sure they haven't boosted it. I also have seen club fitters boost their GC2s just to sell new clubs....

[Maverick]

I would only trust TM/FS or GC2. Even the Foresight software was shown to have had boost.

[fhann]

Check to make sure that the HD simulator is not boosted.

[Willymakit]

Current Positon

1. Real Ball, Stock Turf - 100% Speed, 90% Distance.................... 100% Confident in this setting

EDIT 2. Real Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed 90% Distance............. Single test with JohnD, need to test further

EDIT 3. Foam Ball, Stock Turf - 90% Speed, 90% Distance..........Still a mixed bag - Speed % seems good, Distance setting needs tuning for ratio, but think this is best compromise

EDIT 4. Foam Ball, Thick Turf - 97% Speed, 90% Distance...........Pretty confident in this, 2 players confirmed ratios and speed readings good

EDIT 5. No Ball Setting - 100% Speed 90% Distance... Tested with IAN HOGGARD, ratios and swing speeds seem spot on. Rare Setup but welcome other testers

6. If using a 3 wood instead of Driver due to Height Restrictions add 9% to the SPEED % setting relating to your ball and turf configuration above... I tested this OK, Catman to confirm

7. Everything other than Driver must be set to real world distances varying speed and distance settings accordingly, however 3 wood and 5 wood must not exceed Speed % relative to your own personal ball and turf setup, but Distance settings may be up to MAX 100% Distance Setting. All other irons must be set to real world distances

8. Any individual Driver, 3 or 5 wood settings may be adjusted to a different % ONLY if evidence from an external device, ie TRACKMAN/GC2/FLIGHTSCOPE etc can prove without doubt that a persons Swing Speed/Distance is not being accurately read by Optishot and an adjustment away from the settings above is required. This change would need to be approved by the Board on a case by case basis

9. All Players must record there rounds and if requested make them available for review by the Board. Anyone found in breach of the above settings or using settings for any club to falsely significantly improve their ability or gameplay (ie, hitting a PW 250 yards) shall be removed from the tournament and face further action as the Board do see fit.


Would appreciate your feed back on this, if you don't object then don't moan if this ever ends up as a rule Please remember though that these are always going to be a bit of a compromise but the aim ultimately is to bring a bit more realism to this SIM. We all know theire are limitations with the machine, and the software but the above settings at least will make things a bit better surely and contribute to a stronger, fairer league. Couple this with the change to the leaderboard setup I posted in another thread and I think we will see a massive improvement overall

So here's the issue that I'm having with those numbers. Tried the settings for real ball of 100/90 and I'm getting a swing speed of around 112 and ball distance of 275. IRl my swing speed is 116-124 with distance of 285. So it's a little off. But I didn't some tinkering and if I set it at 105/90 I Achieve those settings. IRl. So I know we can't go over 100 but I refuse to be shorter then I really am but wait.

When using foam ball with 90/90 settings I'm swinging 115 avg with a 280 drive. Which I could live with. But I'm not going to ever hit a foam ball ever. That's my opinion.

So tomorrow I'm heading over to the HD simulator and hopefully I don't forget to record my swing so I can set my settings to IRl after showing the proof.

[JohnMeyer]

Current Positon

1. Real Ball, Stock Turf - 100% Speed, 90% Distance.................... 100% Confident in this setting

EDIT 2. Real Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed 90% Distance............. Single test with JohnD, need to test further

EDIT 3. Foam Ball, Stock Turf - 90% Speed, 90% Distance..........Still a mixed bag - Speed % seems good, Distance setting needs tuning for ratio, but think this is best compromise

EDIT 4. Foam Ball, Thick Turf - 97% Speed, 90% Distance...........Pretty confident in this, 2 players confirmed ratios and speed readings good

EDIT 5. No Ball Setting - 100% Speed 90% Distance... Tested with IAN HOGGARD, ratios and swing speeds seem spot on. Rare Setup but welcome other testers

6. If using a 3 wood instead of Driver due to Height Restrictions add 9% to the SPEED % setting relating to your ball and turf configuration above... I tested this OK, Catman to confirm

7. Everything other than Driver must be set to real world distances varying speed and distance settings accordingly, however 3 wood and 5 wood must not exceed Speed % relative to your own personal ball and turf setup, but Distance settings may be up to MAX 100% Distance Setting. All other irons must be set to real world distances

8. Any individual Driver, 3 or 5 wood settings may be adjusted to a different % ONLY if evidence from an external device, ie TRACKMAN/GC2/FLIGHTSCOPE etc can prove without doubt that a persons Swing Speed/Distance is not being accurately read by Optishot and an adjustment away from the settings above is required. This change would need to be approved by the Board on a case by case basis

9. All Players must record there rounds and if requested make them available for review by the Board. Anyone found in breach of the above settings or using settings for any club to falsely significantly improve their ability or gameplay (ie, hitting a PW 250 yards) shall be removed from the tournament and face further action as the Board do see fit.


Would appreciate your feed back on this, if you don't object then don't moan if this ever ends up as a rule Please remember though that these are always going to be a bit of a compromise but the aim ultimately is to bring a bit more realism to this SIM. We all know theire are limitations with the machine, and the software but the above settings at least will make things a bit better surely and contribute to a stronger, fairer league. Couple this with the change to the leaderboard setup I posted in another thread and I think we will see a massive improvement overall

[JohnMeyer]

Can't. Kids to be taken care of... Sorry.

yeah sorry mate just saw ya earlier post, fully understand.