To be real or not to be real?

[Willymakit]

Willy what loft setting do you have on your driver in optishot

8.5. I use a old ping driver ist. Only driver that will pick up the club with tape on.

[JohnMeyer]

Sorry all can't get onto site from any pc so no testing from me live tonight. If you read my earlier posts you can see what needs testing.

Good luck with it

[JohnMeyer]

Willy what loft setting do you have on your driver in optishot

[Willymakit]

So I tried my best on getting some pictures of my stats today. Took a couple of pictures and at the end of the round was hoping they would have a average but unfortunately they didn't.

So after talking with the owner on a couple things I have found out that the HD simulator uses no sensors but it's all by light where record up to 2500fps. What I also ask was if there was a boost. And the owner said absolutely not. He states what you get for yardage and distance is in the top 3 of any simulators out there. The owner tried 7 different simulators before buying 4 of these simulators for his business. So then I ask the owner to verify what other guys have said. And they all said other then the short game is spot on and that's what I find out also. So not sure if it will change the minds on my numbers on which I know I priduce every shot. Now a little about me. I'm not a weekend warrior. In the summer I golf everyday and spend hours on the driving range with gadgets like swing tip and cameras, so I know what I'm saying is quite accurate. But like I said even with the little proof I have I hope guys will think I'm not a 1 time knock off.

So hopefully this will clear things up. I did the best I can on getting pictures but it's kind of hard when you have 3 other guys trying to swing and money on the line when we play skins.

[JohnMeyer]

Another testing session with Aurin and he yet again confirms 93 S 88 D is good for Foam Ball Stock turf

HOWEVER

Something very interesting came upo which I hadnt even considered.... LOFT SETTING

Initially his distance were all short, ratio down at 2.3

Checked settings and IRL he hits 8.5 driver, So h had it set on optishot as that. This severely REDUCED his distance

Set it at standard 10.5 and ratio up at 2,41, which is pretty close, and acceptable to him as due to his high swing speeds it was the speed being slighlty too high that brought the ratio down, but the yardages were spot on when using the Speed from his external measuring device

[JohnMeyer]

Yes, I do have the Optishot simulator set up to work directly in line with the Flightscope X2C. It's very cold out in the studio/garage. I will start testing/calibrating the Optishot with the Flightscope this week after I get the heater set up in the studio.

I will be using real golf balls since the Flightscope does not register other types of golf balls. It does however, register swings without a golf ball. This could come in handy with the Optishot that also has a no ball swing option.

Best regards,

Frank Hann
Engineered Golf

Absolutely love this !!

W can always do the comparison from foam to real but if we can as near a perfect for real ball and no ball based on flightscope that will be brilliant

[sliceomatic]

The way I see it is the settings aren't going to ever be 100% for everyone across the board. I am sure we could all agree that Optishot gives unrealistic numbers for woods/hybrids for most of us. I think we just need to get it close and if someone is having specific issues then they could provide proof and given an exception.

If someone is really going to cheat they will find a way. Before my woods were taped, I was hitting 360yrd drives with 137mph SS and the next a 71 yrd drive with a 28mph SS. That would have been caught in the recording though and raised some flags.

[fhann]

You are an asset to our community. Do you happen to own an OptiShot that you could compare with Flightscope X2 to confirm our testing is reasonable?

Thank you for your thoughtful input regarding this discussion.

Yes, I do have the Optishot simulator set up to work directly in line with the Flightscope X2C. It's very cold out in the studio/garage. I will start testing/calibrating the Optishot with the Flightscope this week after I get the heater set up in the studio.

I will be using real golf balls since the Flightscope does not register other types of golf balls. It does however, register swings without a golf ball. This could come in handy with the Optishot that also has a no ball swing option.

Best regards,

Frank Hann
Engineered Golf

[JohnMeyer]

MY CONFIDENCE IS NO LONGER 100%


Did a direct comparison Test today as bought some almost balls

Did 10 swing using real ball on real ball setting with Driver set to 100% Speed 90% Distance - Avg Swing Speed 99, Avg Distance 255 Ratio 2.57

Did 10 swing using foam ball on foam ball setting with Driver set to 93% Speed 88% Distance - Avg Swing Speed 103, Avg Distance 257 Ratio 2.49

Think need to dial down distance % setting a bit to get it into line on real ball as ratio is high as you can see.

My speeds were bit slower on real ball down as was very cold and no warm up but on thewhole would say as a direct comparison they were pretty close

I think my 100% confidence has dropped slightly to be honest. Foam Ball setting I think is spot but would say need equalise the reall ball distance setting with foam ball to 88%.

It would sit nice with ball types playing same distance % as gives a standard that Optishot gives 12% too much distance across the board, and reads foam balls 7 % fast

This is all on stock turf

Also the No Ball setting is impossible to Set. Had swings speeds ranging fro 88 - 132 all with pretty much the same swing. I think for that one we may have to go with the guys who use it who said 100 90 was fine but for me I found it unuseable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZfvtlL60_c&feature=youtu.be

Before we can move forward with any of this I need 3 players who have the facilities to hit both real and foam balls off stock turf to do some direct comparison testing like I did above. Will only need you for 20 swings, 10 of each as long as no misreads and ideally would like you tobe able to chat and stream it whilst you do it, but if not Ill need the info exactly as Ive written in above, with the average speed and average distance taken directly from the Optishot Stats Screen

New Positon

1. Real Ball, Stock Turf - 100% Speed, 88% Distance................

2. Real Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed 88% Distance.................

3. Foam Ball, Stock Turf - 93% Speed, 88% Distance...............

4. Foam Ball, Thick Turf - 98% Speed, 88 % Distance..............

5. No Ball Setting - ?????????????????????????????????

[Buckeye]

My greatest confidence is placed with my Flightscope X2 for swing analystics and I use it as a benchmark to test and calibrate all of my other sensors and simulators.

You are an asset to our community. Do you happen to own an OptiShot that you could compare with Flightscope X2 to confirm our testing is reasonable?

Thank you for your thoughtful input regarding this discussion.

[Buckeye]

The next thing we need to look at is requiring Video or have a Video / non Video League or half points non video or what ever....... But a Video discussion on a Separate Thread would be Great..

The "New Era for OptiShot" thread is more or less focused on the video conversation. Check it out and give your input.

[MatalaWedge]

I finally alerted myself that the GolfSense monitor is the one that is attached to one's golf glove. There is a tremendous amount of possibility for error in readings from this sensor. I have much more confidence in fixed location swing speed monitors such as the Swing Speed Sensor, (which I have), http://www.sportssensors.com/product...h-tempo-timer/ ES12 etc. I have the Swingbyte 1 and 2 sensors that are attached to the shaft of the club. There is less movement and chance for error when they are properly attached to the shaft of the club then when a sensor is attached to the back of the golf glove. Even still I do put much stock into some of the the output data on swingspeed analytics of the Swingbyte. and less so for the GolfSense. There is a multitude of information about Swingbyte and other similar sensors that can be viewed on the Ottawa Golf Forum and the general consensus is slightly negative. Within my golf fitting associations, AGCP and ICG, the clubfitters generally agree that the Swingbyte, GolfSense, and attachable sensors have flaws that do not lend themselves well to our use. My greatest confidence is placed with my Flightscope X2 for swing analystics and I use it as a benchmark to test and calibrate all of my other sensors and simulators. I do not wish this to upset Aurincoynen but I wanted to point out the possible weak points with the swing speed data that he has from his self testing.

Well aware of this. It has been discussed on the forum previously. Thanks anyway for thorough info. I basically know what my swing speed is anyway. I'm just getting a second opinion from it for every swing to compare with optishot. I'm mainly using it as I know it is much more consistent than the optishot when it comes to speed. I know the only way to know the precise numbers is Trackman or flightscope but in my case it's better than nothing. It's a ballpark figure... That all. To our dismay optishot is not up for even that all the time.

[CatMan]

Gents the only thing being looked at here is the Driver.... Once we have some agreement within the Thread, the Board will look at and Test to see if it holds up... I don't see why it shouldn't but that remains to be seen and if not will be backed up with facts....

We will be using the Outline John Meyer made up for the Driver from all testing performed for the up coming Ryder Cup to Test it. Most Board members are participating in Ryder Cup and it will be a good testing ground... I think we should be able to give it a Thumbs Up or Down regarding Driver Setting by completion.

The next thing we need to look at is requiring Video or have a Video / non Video League or half points non video or what ever....... But a Video discussion on a Separate Thread would be Great..

The other Woods need more Testing, The current Guidelines must be adhere too, until we invest time in testing..... like stated in above thread....

Thanks Everyone for your work....

[CatMan]

Catman and Buckeye

Just to confirm 3 wood and 5 wood settings. Speed setting needs to be the same as your Driver setting depending on your ball and turf type. We have had mixed results here. Those with average swing speeds, ie 95 to 105 seem to find 100%D is spot on, whereas those in the 110 range seem to have to reduce to 90% or even 85% D. I would say we need to be sensible here. I would class them the same as we currently do the Driver, set them to correct Speed and then set to correct distance. If evidence shows people are hitting 3 wood because its longer than there Driver due to incorrectly setting these Distance setting then that is straight up cheating in my book, and if your gonna cheat just set ya pitching wedge to 500%, to me its the same thing.

Players still need to stay within Max on Speed on Woods 100/100 It can be lower, but until further Testing is done we need to stay within that standard....

[fhann]

I finally alerted myself that the GolfSense monitor is the one that is attached to one's golf glove. There is a tremendous amount of possibility for error in readings from this sensor. I have much more confidence in fixed location swing speed monitors such as the Swing Speed Sensor, (which I have),

http://www.sportssensors.com/products/swing-speed-radar-with-tempo-timer/

ES12 etc.

I have the Swingbyte 1 and 2 sensors that are attached to the shaft of the club. There is less movement and chance for error when they are properly attached to the shaft of the club then when a sensor is attached to the back of the golf glove. Even still I do put much stock into some of the the output data on swingspeed analytics of the Swingbyte. and less so for the GolfSense. There is a multitude of information about Swingbyte and other similar sensors that can be viewed on the Ottawa Golf Forum and the general consensus is slightly negative. Within my golf fitting associations, AGCP and ICG, the clubfitters generally agree that the Swingbyte, GolfSense, and attachable sensors have flaws that do not lend themselves well to our use.

My greatest confidence is placed with my Flightscope X2 for swing analystics and I use it as a benchmark to test and calibrate all of my other sensors and simulators.

I do not wish this to upset Aurincoynen but I wanted to point out the possible weak points with the swing speed data that he has from his self testing.