To be real or not to be real?

[John D]

When building a driver I typically never make them any longer than 44"

[John D]

Depends on club manufacturer, some of the newer drivers are 46" or more in length with 3w coming in around 43" or so. I am a club maker and spend a lot of time shortening drivers to a more hit able length between 44-45"

[MatalaWedge]

I'll post this here too....

6. If using a 3 wood instead of Driver due to Height Restrictions Use Identical settings to those you would normally use as per your ball and turf setup above. Strangely physically hitting a 3 wood makes no difference... 100% confident in this after extensive testing[/B]

Not strange to me. My gs thinks I'm hitting a driver every shot as I'm not really interested in the irons speed. Hitting a firm (like I mean it) 8iron will display 112-114mph for me. It calculates the club head from hand speed and shaft length... I know it's not the same thing here but same principal.... Optishot is being lied to in the same way... It thinks you are hitting a 45" driver... The shaft is often only 1" shorter on 3 wood and the difference in speed will be so small that it will be very hard to measure...

[Joe_S]

Did a massive testing session with Catman... think these follwoing numbers could be golden

[B]Current Positon

1. Real Ball, Stock Turf - 100% Speed, 90% Distance................100% Confident in this setting. Fully tested by Catman, Myself and Buckeye an others

2. Real Ball, Thick Turf - 100% Speed 90% Distance................ 100% Confident Fully tested with Mike and John.

3. Foam Ball, Stock Turf - 93% Speed, 88% Distance......This needs testing but Catman did a direct swap between Real and Foam and this yielded identical results between the 2

4. Foam Ball, Thick Turf - 98% Speed, 90% Distance.......100% Confident, Maxxx Catman and Vega tested

5. No Ball Setting - 100% Speed 90% Distance...........100% Confident Tested with IAN HOGGARD and another whos name I forget, ratios and swing speeds seem spot on.

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Really need Auri and Joe to test the 93 Speed, 88 Distance setting. May well be that Swing Speed Number slightly off for you Auri, as you may well come in the category of a "special circumstance as in Rule 8, but hopefully the distances will be good.

Please those of you who hit foam balls on stock turf please try 93, 88 as once that confirmed we've got ourselves some stock numbers we can all use !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe in 93S 88D as myself and Catman did direct results, ie he hit real ball stock turf, driver setting 100S 90 D and was getting average 100 mph Speed, 248 Distance. Swapped to foam ball, change setting on opti to foam ball, driver setting to 93S 88D and was getting 100mph 250 yards

Watched the stream to verify numbers... Please please can some people try this so I can have my life back lol

I don't think the settings fit to everyones swing exactly. If the ratio is the thing we're looking for, then I'm calculating backwards: In real life my drive distances are about 240 to 250 yards in average, so my swing speed should be about 100mph (unfortunately I don't know my real life driver swing speed, any experience here with this SS?). So I'm going to bring the settings to a Optishot SS of about 100 mph and then set the distance to the right one. Will test this...

A short testing with no ball settings with my swing: No drive was shorter than 270 yards. So I will play with no ball... ;-) Could be my driver swing with long tee is like one with thick turf. This could be the setting for me...

[JohnMeyer]

if in the long run (hundreds of swings) I can show an average swing speed of say 117 average and am still averaging only say 2.1x ss I will think again. For now I'm cool with whatever the guidelines say. Edit. JM: I'll try and get hold of you when I do it. Might even be able squeeze an hour of testing this evening from 7pm gmt - - - - > Depends on family life again....

It'll be interesting to see what comes out of your testing. I'll do my prediction now. Will give you an average swing speed of 121 and and distance 297.

Now I know you do swing big and having seen your gs you prob swing more 117 average and average more like 285,290

Results will tell us all we need to know

[JohnMeyer]

Aurin, I think you were short when 89 90, this 93 88 should hopefully give you a correct distance but may well show your swing speed on Optishot a bit higher than the your GS shows but be good to hear how you get on with it.

Next time you go on and have a hit let me know as Id like to view your stream

[MatalaWedge]

Catman and Buckeye I believe AurinCoynen may also fall into this category as he too has a powerful swing speed up towards 120 and again under rule 8 if you Aurin feel the guideline settings don't provide real world Distances then as long as evidence to back this up can be submitted the request can be dealt with on a case by case basis.

I'll play by the rules. Not going to make an example out of myself. I have said that my gut tells me it has to be short. If the evidence is there then it's there. I would be going against my principles in life if I were to go against the evidence on this one. I will be adding a gs true swing speed reading to all my broadcasts from now on. (Just as long as my wife and kids let me have the ipad for a few hours...) if in the long run (hundreds of swings) I can show an average swing speed of say 117 average and am still averaging only say 2.1x ss I will think again. For now I'm cool with whatever the guidelines say. Edit. JM: I'll try and get hold of you when I do it. Might even be able squeeze an hour of testing this evening from 7pm gmt - - - - > Depends on family life again....

[JohnMeyer]

Good deals on used ones.


http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/...olf-simulators

I think this is a point to remember with all this... Willy swing speed is off by say 4mph give or take a a few, distance is 10 yards off give or take a few.. on a $400 Sim

Might move to Protee - A good deal on the Protee.. $4000 plus projector PC, and screen (i know youve prob got some of this but even still), and comparing against an HD Golf Sim - $40,000

Up to you mate, If you can justify the spend then no doubt the higher up the SIM chain you go I would hope the better they get, (not necessarily, I dont know) but the point Im making is yes, for probably most of us the SIm is very slightly off, for you probably a bit more so, but rule in place to address that hopefully

I think that with these settings when it comes to value for money Optishot is very very good and would suggest you just go with the settings, and then get your evidence to apply under Rule 8

[JohnMeyer]

Catman and Buckeye

Just to confirm 3 wood and 5 wood settings. Speed setting needs to be the same as your Driver setting depending on your ball and turf type. We have had mixed results here. Those with average swing speeds, ie 95 to 105 seem to find 100%D is spot on, whereas those in the 110 range seem to have to reduce to 90% or even 85% D. I would say we need to be sensible here. I would class them the same as we currently do the Driver, set them to correct Speed and then set to correct distance. If evidence shows people are hitting 3 wood because its longer than there Driver due to incorrectly setting these Distance setting then that is straight up cheating in my book, and if your gonna cheat just set ya pitching wedge to 500%, to me its the same thing.

We can look at this but there quite a subjective club I think.

Mike and Willymakit

To befair to Willy I was initially expecting those of you hitting real balls on thick turf to require a Speed % Increase. As has been tested this doesnt appear to be the case, which I find odd as using a thick turf with a foam ball on the foam ball setting clearly lowers the speed read by Optishot. From you figures Willy it seems whilst it is reading your drive 10mph slow it is only showing your yardage 10 yards short. With a ratio of 2.5 if we increased your Speed % to get you your 10mph Swing Speed increase you would gain 25 yards, not 10 so be 15 yards too long.

As you have external evidence to back this up simply get the video / print out from HD golf stating your Swing Speed Average, not your best, but your average over say 20 swings, and your average Distance over those Swings and if Board accept it as evidence under rule 8 you could be allowed a custom setup, which I would say would result in an increase in Swing % to probably 105%, and a Distance % reduction to probably 85% in order to keep your ratio at the correct level .

From your HD data if your averaging 285 Optishot needs to reading your Swing speed at 114 so actually only reading it only slightly slow, and to Average 285 I would say you are hitting further than the vast majority on here and as such the guidelines may be a bit restrictive on you.

I believe AurinCoynen may also fall into this category as he too has a powerful swing speed up towards 120 and again under rule 8 if you Aurin feel the guideline settings don't provide real world Distances then as long as evidence to back this up can be submitted the request can be dealt with on a case by case basis.

The guidelines have been throughly tested now and for 95% of people hopefully they will be OK and provide pretty near results. They may not be absolutely perfect, but up until now you have all be using settings that were FAR from perfect so has to be a bit of compromise, however Rule 8 will be in place to allow any modification should you be able to prove it is required.

As to to what the board will accept as evidence for a change under Rule 8 that is not my remit or decision. As really are not whether these proposed rules, become rules but hope they do as for many many of us I think it will bring a far more realistic level of gameplay

[Mike80]

Hey Willy! Didn't want you to take this personal. Really. Sorry if it came off that way Was just thinking if there was a possibility that maybe your swing speed was being misread from HD Golf. Was trying to be more proactive in understanding why OptiShot wasn't able to pick up your swing but could on others. So that's why I was wondering if it was picking up your Swing Speeds of 110 MPH but maybe you weren't getting accurate results else ware. Again, I don't know either way. My constructive thinking came off offensive to you. Sorry about that! We are all testing and making good progress with finding a solution. I am really looking forward to the next tournament that will hopefully be a little closer to realistic drives.

[Maverick]

But it looks like I have to play with foam balls to keep up with the rest of the pack but I refuse to do that. So on second thoughts

how much is a protee. Might have to go that way.

Here is a website for this simulator. Hdgolf.com.

Good deals on used ones.

http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/classified-ads/home-golf-simulators

[Buckeye]

John Max Speed on 3 and 5 Woods are 100 as well as Distance.. Correct?

The way I read it 3w and 5w speed setting should correlate with your driver SS/turf set up, but distance can be adjusted up to 100%. The goal is to make it real as possible so people defaulting to 100% for extra distance should be frowned upon. I think in the testing it was shown that some people are fine at 100% 100% 3w 5w while others need to dial it down.

My 3w speed at 100% is fine but I had to dial the distance down to 90% to get realistic. My 5w speed is ok too, but I needed to go all the way back to 85% distance on it.

I think his rule on woods is more or less a place marker for now. I don't think a lot of testing or research has gone that route yet.

[CatMan]

Did a massive testing session with Catman... think these follwoing numbers could be golden

[B]Current Positon


7. Everything other than Driver must be set to real world distances varying speed and distance settings accordingly, however 3 wood and 5 wood must not exceed Speed % relative to your own personal ball and turf setup, but Distance settings may be up to MAX 100% Distance Setting... tested thoroughly. Most players seem to find 100S 100D is perfect, however if you find distance are long then set to 100S 90D or whatever it is to make them correct.

John Max Speed on 3 and 5 Woods are 100 as well as Distance.. Correct?

[Willymakit]

Hey Willy, please don't take this personal or as a stab at you. I am not saying you don't swing it 125MPH. However the reality is that is very very high. In fact that is the swing speed of the highest PGA players which only a few swing at that rate. So again don't take this as a persona stab. I would agree with the others that don't rely on HD Golf Simulator for accurate readings of your swing speed. If you can find a local golf shop for fitting that uses a Trackman/Flightscop or other high standard hardware. I know you are saying that the Opti isn't reading to your average 116-125. But possibly your swing speed is really about 110....which is still extremely fast! Again, not judging or saying it is. Just that most all of us tested and nobody is complaining that the Optishot is not reading too slow. If anything it is reading 2 MPH fast, based on a lot of my testing. If you really do get tested on a Trackman and hit 125 MPH, then I will say holy shit!!!! That is MF'n Fast!!!! ....LOL. and bow down to you....LOL. Please take this lightly, not judging you. Maybe HD Golf is boosting the speed. A lot of places do this.

Here are another set of my tests I just did:

Test 5: Speed: 100% ~ Distance: 90%
Speed ~ Distance
103 ~ 258
104 ~ 260
110 ~ 270
104 ~ 264
100 ~ 258
105 ~ 264

This is on Real Ball and tested on 3/4" thick turf.

It's amazing how it jumped to 125mph. Not once did I ever say that. I have said many times that my swing speeds were between 116-124.

And this hd simulator I go to is not s place where they sell clubs. It's where pros go to tune up on there swings. I have two guys that are pros. One on the canadian tour and one guy who is on some tour down in the states. And after talking to them many times they say this is one of the most accurate simulators they have seen and used and that's why I'm saying it's one of the most accurate that I have used.

But it looks like I have to play with foam balls to keep up with the rest of the pack but I refuse to do that. So on second thoughts

how much is a protee. Might have to go that way.

Here is a website for this simulator. Hdgolf.com.

[JohnMeyer]

John Just did some quick testing and those numbers seem to be right on

Quality stuff. Vega and maxxx seemed very sure too so that is an absolute definite