Tour Rules

[mthunt]

i just got back from Vegas and my club closed on Sunday. It's sim season and we are getting new players every day so I figured I'd repost this. Tour Rules

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https://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum/protee-golf-simulator/online-play/65157-tgc-tour-rules-and-guidelines

06-26-2017, 03:49 PM
Hi everyone. I think it's important to revisit the rules every now and then as we keep getting new players. Our tour is designed for everyone and every system. It's only for fun but like real golf, we have chosen to allow you to police yourselves. Also like real golf cheating will get you banned. If you are going to play, play by the rules. Everything else is managed by the game. Below are mostly settings.

TGC Tour Rules

Boost and other shot mods:
+/- 5%. Most ProTee/ TGC supported systems have the ability to adjust your settings. This is from having sensor mats and tweaking them. For tour play, you are allowed to adjust any setting by 5%. This means you can add 5% max boost and decrease 5% spin. Believe me, 5% isn't going to change anyone's life. A 20 yard draw would draw 19 yards with 5% adjustment.

Putting:
The standard putting setting was 2. We set it this way because we believed the GC2 would perform fairly at that setting. We recently changed it to allow you to increase the setting so the ball will only go straight. It's your choice what you use. I use 2. Move the slider all the way over and aim with the pointer only if you choose.

Gimmies:
You have to set your system to a max of 1.8 yards. This is done by setting the Gimmie Setting to "Gimmie". If you want no gimmies, knock yourself out.

Wind:
We play without wind. You must as well.

Shot Recording:
Turn it on. You'll see SR in the standings. An X means it's off. We contact those who have it off but sometimes someone that isn't on the form enters a tournament. If it's off, you won't be included in any rankings.

Rewinds:
Obviously a big one. Some systems give errors and strange things happen. Here's some examples:

Allowed:
-A ball was in the FOV of your GC2 and you rolled another couple of balls near by and it read a 2 foot put.
-Your protee said the ball you hit in the middle of your screen went 25 degrees right.
-Your GSX said the ball went 20 yards and it was flushed into the screen.
I think you get it.

Not allowed:
-Your putt lipped out but you think you hit it straight
-Your bunker shot didn't clear the lip but you think it should have
-You sliced it and it's behind a tree
-You hit a 3 wood over water and it didn't make it but you once hit a 3 wood far enough to carry
-You hit a 5 iron and it rolled over the green but you hit a 5 iron outside last week and it stopped
-You hit it in the water and the game put you all the way back where you hit it from. Too bad.

Have fun and play by the rules.


mthunt

[wbond]

So let’s go back to non zero putting so non st users can have an advantage? Everyone can use straight putting patch so it’s fair for all. St simply is not a good enough piece of hardware to use for putting and it’s easily confirmed. Sorry but st users do not have any advantage. Same goes for chipping, it jumps offline way too often: However I still don’t take rewinds even when the dent in my screen is straight on and the ball goes right. Not to mention you have zero clue what the shot will do when you have 20 yds to pin if you us short game correction to get the unit to even recognize short shots. St has lots of trade offs. Love how it goes from people cheating to being a st issue.

[BadEddieKit]

Just an FYI, i have recently discovered that the latest windows update, which was December 13th for me, caused internet connectivity issues. I was unable to play live rounds with others, and even playing alone, it would take 30 seconds for a shot to register in TGC. If its a new problem for ya, might wanna uninstall the latest updates and see if that fixes it for you.

[frodaddy00]

All,
Frodaddy here. I see there is a lot of angst about my recent tournament score. I've been dealing with a lot of SkyTrak issues and my last two rounds (this tournament) have been incredibly frustrating for me.. taking 2-3 hours to finish due to my SkyTrak and/or TGC giving me fits.

First off my apologies to everyone as my intention was not to post a low score. I have been more fixated on why my system is so flaky and was rewinding more than I should have. I will work to resolve the problems I am having (posted in SkyTrak forum since early Dec) before playing more tournaments in the future. I asked that my rounds be DQ'd if that hasn't been done already.

My apologies again to all.


thanks,
fro

[mthunt]

Obviously you know the issue. Hit until you like the tee shot. Make the last one a putt and it’s obvious. I’m ok with it.

[mthunt]

If your handicap is -36 please PM me.

[cooke23]

Anyone see issue with that?

[Tommyseb]

Would be interesting to know the proportion of protee to skytrak to GC2 users, I get hardly any miss reads on my skytrak, (quite a few no reads) and I imagine GC2 users get even less, I have no knowledge of the missread frequency using the protee system, if it’s something small like 1 or 2 a round, then maybe rewinds could be permitted but would still count as a stroke but you would then be able to submit a request for the shot to be removed by the administrators, might be less work than having them trawling through everyone’s score to find the culprits.

[cooke23]

I definitely do the warming up on the first tee. It’s a PITA to go to a range then hit, them go back to the tournament round, ya da, yada. What I’ll do from now on.....I’ll warm up....then hit 3-4 putts. That should make it easy to see it was a warm up and when I really started the round. Rather than showing that I blasted 20 drivers before I finally found the fairway. 😀

[mthunt]

Not trying to get into a pissing contest and also attempting to contribute to the discussion, I'll start by pointing out that cracked balls should not be the basis for rewinds or cancelling of a stroke. You are allowed to replace a ball that is unfit for play but that doesn't entitle you to cancel the stroke. When a ball breaks in two or more pieces, the stroke may be replayed with a new ball.

Back to rewinds - there are several different sims and launch monitors. Some are more prone to misreads than others. A "no-rewind" tour is not only going to create more work for the volunteers who run the tournaments, it is also going to limit participation and favour certain launch monitors. I use ProTee and I like it, but I have no illusions that it suffers from mis-reads.

It's also clear that it's impossible to monitor every players scoring and to be on the lookout for re-winds or cheating. A good case in point is the recent 57,57 performance of a tournament participant. The previous "outlier" scores by this same player never warranted any comment and weren't scrutinized, but in retrospect seem to confirm that something wasn't quite on the up and up.

Mis-reads can also take the shape of a poorly hit ball, being picked up as a good shot. It's tough to do, but that good shot should be cancelled and re-hit.

Another situation that sometimes happens is the "phantom" 300-plus yard drive. The ProTee sensor or software gets crossed up and adds 30 mph to your swing speed. Nice drive, but that's also a misread and should be rewound.

I am still trying to get my head around the "straight putt" fix for SkyTrak. As I understand it, every putt is treated as if it's "on line" and only the ball speed is taken into account. If that does not result in an unfair advantage then I don't know what does.

Thanks for reading.

The 0 HA putt allowance is creating low scores. Keep in mind everyone is allowed to use it. I’m not sure about it either.

[aja]

Not trying to get into a pissing contest and also attempting to contribute to the discussion, I'll start by pointing out that cracked balls should not be the basis for rewinds or cancelling of a stroke. You are allowed to replace a ball that is unfit for play but that doesn't entitle you to cancel the stroke. When a ball breaks in two or more pieces, the stroke may be replayed with a new ball.

Back to rewinds - there are several different sims and launch monitors. Some are more prone to misreads than others. A "no-rewind" tour is not only going to create more work for the volunteers who run the tournaments, it is also going to limit participation and favour certain launch monitors. I use ProTee and I like it, but I have no illusions that it suffers from mis-reads.

It's also clear that it's impossible to monitor every players scoring and to be on the lookout for re-winds or cheating. A good case in point is the recent 57,57 performance of a tournament participant. The previous "outlier" scores by this same player never warranted any comment and weren't scrutinized, but in retrospect seem to confirm that something wasn't quite on the up and up.

Mis-reads can also take the shape of a poorly hit ball, being picked up as a good shot. It's tough to do, but that good shot should be cancelled and re-hit.

Another situation that sometimes happens is the "phantom" 300-plus yard drive. The ProTee sensor or software gets crossed up and adds 30 mph to your swing speed. Nice drive, but that's also a misread and should be rewound.

I am still trying to get my head around the "straight putt" fix for SkyTrak. As I understand it, every putt is treated as if it's "on line" and only the ball speed is taken into account. If that does not result in an unfair advantage then I don't know what does.

Thanks for reading.